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Preliminary changes:
- Lee Enfield damage from 16 to 14 to reduce burst potential (5x16=80 damage = one model's health) and to slightly reduce their DPS versus heavy cover;
- Lee Enfield accuracy increased to have the same total DPS as before
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I believe it's +40% reload and +20% cooldown when out of cover, so that doesn't affect Lee Enfield DPS all that much. It mostly affects Piats and Brens.
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Has the balance team considered changing that? The early game is when Section cover should matter the most.
What about making bolster a squad by squad upgrade? So the more 5 man tommies you want, the more you pay. Could still have an initial unlock cost too
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I believe it's +40% reload and +20% cooldown when out of cover, so that doesn't affect Lee Enfield DPS all that much. It mostly affects Piats and Brens.
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Personally I think screwing with Bolster is a bit dangerous, although I wouldn't mind at least making new 5 men IS/RE cost more. But I think first we will have to see how the IS changes feel.
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For brens, does this mean that until they have to reload, their DPS is mainly unaffected?
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double bren 5 man IS will never be too strong until they nerf PF's.
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Wut
How are Pfusi's a problem? they have very comparable performance to 5 men Grenadiers, but lower your early game strength and cost a small fortune to upgrade. JLI and Obers are far stronger.
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How much Fuel does OKW start with?
How much Fuel does UKF start with?
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As i said, UKF pay for side tech, which delay their tech to armor, OKW is not
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I suddenly come with an ideal, we delete bolster upgrade, make infantry section gren clone from the stat, with 1 bren upgrade but can receive on the front line like gren Mg42 and have HEAT nade (stick to mills bombs tech). Then, we add another unit into company command post, call "bolster infantry section", yes, exactly the same 5 man with 2 bren tommy as we have had but now in latest tech, make them basically ober equivalent. Now UK have 2 type of mainline infantry and they can be balanced separately in price and performance in conjunction with other faction. No neu models required, Happy?
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OKW Panzer IV = 15 + 25 + 15 + 120 + 140 - 5 = 310 fuel
UKF Cromwell = 30 + 115 + 110 - 20 = 235 fuel
That is a straight rush, mean no bolster, no bren, no nade, no AEC/Bofor. We are talking about 5 man tommy with 2 bren, mean plus 50 fuel at least, another 10 for nade, another 15 for Bofor/AEC.
This is a tactical choice, earlier armour or stronger infantry. P4 is better than cromwell in anyway so it come later, basic principal.
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Just want to mention that "Reconnaissance Sections" are already in the game files who can get a "scoped Lee Enfield". Adding them could also give UKF 2 types of main line infantry.
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So, UKF pay 295 fuel to get a cromwell while having 5 man tommy with bren and nade. OKW pay 15 more fuel and get a better tank, balanced?
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That is a straight rush, mean no bolster, no bren, no nade, no AEC/Bofor. We are talking about 5 man tommy with 2 bren, mean plus 50 fuel at least, another 10 for nade, another 15 for Bofor/AEC.
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Thing is, delaying your tech to guaranteed win any infantry combat up to elite infantry generally translates into more field control which translates into quicker armour. If 5 men Tommies were not worth their weight in fuel it won't be Meta.
OkW early game stat with stum + number advantage of volk already translate to more map contror, following by lock down and area denial capabilities of ost.
Uk Pay more to get stronger infantry, ìn oder to push back axis early aggressive and take risk vs light vehicle play.
I mean, a one time cost to improve ALL of your stock infantry by 25% is HUGE.
Especially when you consider that stock Tommies are already as durable as panzer grens (which is more durable than Sturmpios, without the need to close btw) and hit like a truck to begin with.
Its kinds the 1 time thing that makes it so strong (keep in mind Soviet can 1 man up and it costs a weapon slot and requires the squads only weapon slot, or Ost can get an extra model at the cost of the lmg42... UKFs price is... Delay armour... On paper?)
So what OKW trades to get double Stg and flames nade ?
An upgrade that isn't a matter of if but when isn't a well designed upgrade. If the only thought you need to out into it is "do I want a massive power spike now or later" perhaps the upgrade is too strong.
Not to sound old here but *waver old person voice* I remember when getting an upgrade meant you forfeit something, an lmg meant you lose mobility and close range firepower, getting an smg meant losing long range power in favor of mobility... And even now EFA follow that line of thinking with THEIR +1man designs. I guess it's a progression of design... EFA design being "care even slightly about the gameplay" while WFA design is "stack so much firepower that you can blob your way to victory" 5 man squads everywhere... Fire on the move automatics handed to everyone.... Blob healing effeciency +500%... Forward retreats so getting your blob out of danger doesn't hurt as much....
"Blob to victory","fire on the move automatic for everyone" seem fit OKW more than UKF, a lot, no? Bren fire on the move ? No? Bren come out of nowhere for tommy on the front line ? No ?
Pay to win. First in money when the faction drops, then in resources to elevate your floor beyond the enemies ceiling. Throw resources, out bleed, retreat, repeat. I mean.... Tommies, despite being more durable and more expensive are cheaper per man than grens. Why? Because fuck you that's why.
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