KW-1 needs a closer look

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 06:16 AMthedarkarmadillo

So a 30% and 41% chance to bounce dedicated anti tank units. For the sake of comparison, since we have established that the kv is just a more durable t34 (going by the 160 more health AND 0.8 damage modifier) what is the t-34s chance to bounce those dedicated AT units. It sure has to be pretty close to the kv-1 for there not to be any advantages over the 34 right? I'm betting the t34 is going to bounce the pak 20% of the time and Shreks 30% cause if it's anything lower, like say 0% chance to bounce coupled with the significantly less health I think id pick a kv-1 when I can afford one simply die to the undiniably improved durability.
But of course it HAS to be closer than that for you to down play 30 and 40% chance to bounce dedicated counters.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jul 2019, 11:05 AMHannibal

I do think that the KV1 is slightly UP, I just don't agree with the statement that the timing of the KV1 is the parameter that makes it UP.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 20:02 PMcochosgo

KV1 main appeal is being able to survive raketen ambushes and being a damage sponge for other units.

A buff on its mgs wouldn't hurt. A vet1 smoke round could be usefull as long as they work as the cromwell. It will help other, more mobile units, to exploit it to breach a position.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 19:50 PMgeneral_gawain

...and you get 1,5x T34 for 1x KW-1- > Nearly same health, earlier timing, less armour much more damage, speed, accleration and utility.

Okay lets turn it around. Would you leave the KW-1 exactly as it is because you say it is balanced (including timing, population, 1/5 doctrinal spot and cost of course)?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 22:45 PMthedarkarmadillo

Except you can't buy half a unit...

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 22:45 PMthedarkarmadillo

I said previously that a buff to the hull MG would go a miss but I'm arguing against the fat that the tank is worthless and most recently against your claim that its durability isn't a valuable trait including acting like a 30-40% chance to bounce things that the t34 cannot bounce is underwhelming.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 20:05 PMgeneral_gawain

Timing is a big part of a unit beeing up, balanced or op. Imagine the KW-1 would come at T2, it would be op as hell. Just wanted to say it wouldn't be slightly up if it would hit the field earlier, timing is a part of balance.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 02:09 AMdistrofio

But since KV1 is doctrinal, you are always free to not choose its commander, specially if it doesnt perform very well vs OKW.

I do agree with the rest of the post though.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 22:44 PMelchino7

Same mg as T34 and call it a day?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jul 2019, 23:03 PMHannibal

Yes I never doubted that. But an early timing allows only the first unit perform well as a shock unit, while all others are wasted resources. That's why nobody builds the scout car/flamer half track/UC etc after the early game has passed, as those units have lost their shock value and are not worth the price anymore.
The KV1 is a premium medium, so it should hit the field at around the same time other mediums to enable the enemy to better counter it. If not, you need to decrew the one PaK that your enemy has at the time your KV1 comes out and it's probably gg cause you can drive right into the base.
The KV1 is better off if it's performance matches it's cost, so it's usable at any time point in the game and not a one trick pony. Basically just like any other tank call-in in the game.