Mediums to panther/tank destroyer interactions

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 19:48 PMStug life

Medium do give shock value and anti infantry, and if ur dominance with AI is big u can use AT infantry to deal with TD

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 20:06 PMelchino7

Or you can exploit the map so you attack wherever the TD is not.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 20:06 PMelchino7

Or you can exploit the map so you attack wherever the TD is not.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 20:14 PMStug life

i think he is talking about team game where TD coverage is omnipresent as it’s x4

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 21:00 PMinsaneHoshi

That requires you to have constant knowledge of where the TD is, does it not?

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 21:56 PMLago

Tank destroyers only need to be in their current state because they need to counter heavy tanks.

If we toned down all the heavies (Panther included), we could tone down the tank destroyers too.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 22:20 PMelchino7

And how do you tone heavies down while keeping them desirable to use?

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 23:09 PMLago

For a heavy generalist?

270 armour, 960 effective hit points, price reduced to 540 MP 200 FU, accompanying nerf to the fire rate of tank destroyers.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 23:18 PMKatitof

You've just made a unit limited to 1 a complete waste of space and encouraged everyone to get TDs in pairs while pretty much nothing happened for meds as their primary threats are ATGs and AT infs.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 23:41 PMLago

The Pershing's even squishier and it's one of the best tanks in the game.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jul 2019, 23:41 PMLago

The Pershing's even squishier and it's one of the best tanks in the game.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2019, 09:22 AMKatitof

Pershing has speed and the best cannon.
Somehow I can't imagine cheaper tiger with even better cannon that suddenly has permanent blitz at the cost of whooping 80 health.

• It's substantially tougher than a medium tank but doesn't demand tank destroyers to fight it.
  
• It's defining trait is its gun, meaning it can still serve its role on a field with a lot of AT.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2019, 10:05 AMLago

The Pershing is a heavy tank design that works.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2019, 10:09 AMT.R. Stormjäger

Why would you change the Tiger? Everyone agrees it's the most balanced Heavy Tank atm.

Also it's extremely disingenuous to say Tank Destroyers are oppressive. The SU-85 and Firefly are powerful but also have drawbacks, so there is balance. The exception and main source of frustration is the Jackson.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2019, 12:52 PMgeneral_gawain

The exception and main source of frustration for allied side is Jagdtiger/Elephant at a couple of 4vs4 maps at least ;-)

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2019, 10:56 AMSander93

It doesn't really work though, it just has a completely overpowered AI gun and high mobility that compensate for its lackluster HP pool in 1v1s and maybe 2v2s but this low survivability makes it pretty useless in team games where AT is much more concentrated. Its armor is high enough that it generally demands a dedicated counter, while its low HPs simultaneously makes it very vulnerable to a stroke of bad RNG.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2019, 14:02 PMLago

Is there any vehicle with a range below 60 you don't think is useless in team games?

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2019, 14:40 PMSander93

There are plenty, mainly those that have good timing and/or shock value or other remarkable traits, but that list does not include 13CP generalist heavies and especially not 13CP 960HP generalist heavies.