New Commander Update Patch June 14th

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 12:35 PMSander93

Not bugged. It has 7/6/5 penetration. AP rounds give +200% pen so 21/18/15 pen. That's great for killing half tracks and 222s but the Luchs has 55 armor. That's a 38%/33%/27% chance to pen for 10 damage per bullet vs Luch's 400 health. DSHK also has pretty low ROF and burst durations.

The M2HB barely does any damage to a Luchs either and its AP ability gives increased damage too.


As for Ostwind versus light vehicles, I wouldn't call this melting (15:15m):

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 13:05 PMblvckdream

The ostwind shoots WAY faster than before due to the decreased cool down and fires more rounds before it reloads. That´s why it does more damage. It does not take rocket sciene to understand it.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 13:15 PMStug life

that logic would work vs infantry but vs light vehicle most shoots still bounce as shown in the clip

it still has less pen thant t 70

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 13:19 PMKatitof

If you do 10 damage in 10 shots, but now in time you shoot 10 shots can shoot 20 shots due to a change, you're now going to do 20 damage in the same time you would previously do only 10.
The equal amount of shots bounces, the damage of individual shot is the exact same, the DPS is increased by 100% in the example.

Same applies to ostwinds change.

Its not really a hard concept to get, I can't see why you struggle with it so much.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 13:10 PMblvckdream

If it has 15 pen on max range per round every 4th round should pen and do damage. As I said. I had a dshk shooting at a Luchs for like 20 seconds and it did nothing despite being on AP rounds. How is this possible. It felt like the AP rounds were not activating despite using the ability.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 13:10 PMblvckdream

And for the clip: Both vehicles were moving and the Ostwind missed most of it´s long-range shots. Close the distance and stop moving and voila it will melt them.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 13:32 PMSander93

These are the results of DSHK armor piercing (full 30s) vs Luchs:


Seems like it's working to me.



Sounds like a pretty realistic scenario to me. Ostwind stationary within small distance of light vehicle (also stationary I guess) less so.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 13:23 PMStug life

yes but from doing almost nothing to melting LV would require a bigger change than being able to shoot 2 more round before reloading and a 0.3 CD buff

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 14:28 PMblvckdream

The Ostwind never did "almost" nothing. And yes 0.3 CD buff is a huge deal in this case. It went down from 0.5-0.7 so now it shoots twice as fast on average.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 16:48 PMStug life

can we have a video of it doing it ? someone already posted one of ostwind doing OK vs lv not like u say

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 12:10 PMblvckdream

Luchs is way faster than Centaur. Meanwhile LVs can´t just escape the Ostwind by driving away. Unless you get lucky and the Ostwind doesn´t hit it absolutly does melt any LV. Not sure what game you are playing.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 20:52 PMFarlion

Yeah, because obviously if they had spammed Pz4s they wouldn't have won that game at that point.

• 0cp Tigers make no sense when other doctrines have to wait until 13cp, especially for Tiger Aces. This shouldn't have made it out the gate (as the evidence shows). But I am glad for a less ridiculous Tiger Ace.
  
• Ostheer having MGs and assault infantry in tier 1 makes them more potent than OKW. Can't have both imo, other factions have to pay fuel for that combo. Also undermines assault grenadiers. Could always move the MG42 out to tier 2, but...
  
• PGs were fine where they were — with their halftracks. A better option would be buffing pioneer MP-40s — combined with the satchel charges they'll be quite useful.
  
• PGs should get their combined arms upgrade in any deck but still have to pay for it like in Infantry Doctrine rather than it being tied to veterancy — they already get smoke grenades which are buffed at vet 3 on top of that. Approaching the ridiculous.
  
• Fine with the Ostwind; it's supposed to be a dangerous piece of work and I missed using it. And I can finally start using assault grenadiers again too.
  
• Mobile Observation Posts strike me as their answer to OKW IR halftracks. Do the germans really need two of these? I guess it gives halftracks another use but they already had one.
  
• StuG buffs? Great!
  

• Can't see why Guard Airborne get a free PPSH upgrade, especially when it grants new abilities. Should have a small ammo cost. Kinda exploitable right now because it can be changed so quickly. 3 DP-28s is also excessive and expensive. Scale it back to 2 and lower the price.
  
• It's nice to have engineers with SVTs, albeit only in 1 doctrine. The dps boost makes them more useful... and they're not good for much else (not even sandbags!). Would be nice for them to get SVTs stock. (I can dream right?)
  
• Conscript buffs are welcome but the AT upgrade feels a bit too cheap, 15 ammo instead.
  
• Not overly concerned with the SU-76 yet. Don't care about M-42 debuff and M5 buff is welcome.
  

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2019, 22:57 PMEscapist

Preliminary thoughts:

• 0cp Tigers make no sense when other doctrines have to wait until 13cp, especially for Tiger Aces. This shouldn't have made it out the gate (as the evidence shows). But I am glad for a less ridiculous Tiger Ace.
  
  
• PGs should get their combined arms upgrade in any deck but still have to pay for it like in Infantry Doctrine rather than it being tied to veterancy — they already get smoke grenades which are buffed at vet 3 on top of that. Approaching the ridiculous.
  
  
• 3 DP-28s is also excessive and expensive. Scale it back to 2 and lower the price.
  

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2019, 12:07 PMWarspite

Not sure if anyone said this yet but the strafe on airborne guards has no hotkey and the hotkey for OKW tiger ace ability and artillery call in is the same (C)