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this comparison isnt fair since the allies dont get a heavy medium/tank hunter with high mobility decent AI DPS with the pintle mg and the armor/durability to 1v1 the aforementioned TD so long as both are in range...
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I would prefer mobility with range to all other stats. If you can't shoot you he can have all the armor he wants. And yes the comparison is quite fair.
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soo can we buff say the comet to have 10 less range than the JT/ele and give it much more HP armor and mobility than the JP/ele and call it a centurion?
can we also do the same for the T-34-85, call it a T-44-100 and make it nondoctrinal?
and of course the M48 patton for the USA... and made nondoctrinal?
id bet that would be completely fair lmao
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Man are you delusional ? I said I would pick the range and speed over armor and hp. Because that is how every single RTS game work. Mobility and range are kings in those games. Why in AoE2 was Longbow or Eagle Warriors notorious and Teutonic Knight was a nono ? The same reason. The vehichles you are talking about are not even in the games time period and I really didn't get what you want to say.
Yes the panther is good agreed but it can't dive allied TDs freely except for lonely SU-85.
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Where people fall down with the Panther is they dont understand its design intention within the Ost faction.
Its not meant to be your main punch in any shape or form, so dont directly compare it to opposing units.
Ost has really strong units and abilities when it comes to killing armour, what they dont have bags and bags of, is manouvability!
This is what your paying for with the Panther, an extremely mobile unit in a fairly slow faction. It has enough armour to get it into, and out of killing range to finish off enemy units.
Its not intended just to slug it out with heavies or tank destroyers. These reasons are why it has slowish rate of fire.
This is why Ost also has had slower repairs, your being punished by taking too much damage with your big tanks, you should try to avoid taking damage as much as possible. Where as allies tactics is to pressure with your armour, soaking up some damage, then pull back and quickly repair.
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This is different today.
Allies got TD with range, good vet bonus on pen and damages.
Allies have access to snares.
Panther rear armor got nerfed.
Axis heavies got nerfed.
Allies heavies have stronger rear armor.
The tactics is different about soaking damage and high front armor.
Hence this thread is opened to rebalance panther to suit todays meta.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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This is different today.
Allies got TD with range, good vet bonus on pen and damages.
Allies have access to snares.
Panther rear armor got nerfed.
Axis heavies got nerfed.
Allies heavies have stronger rear armor.
The tactics is different about soaking damage and high front armor.
Hence this thread is opened to rebalance panther to suit todays meta.
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panther rear used to be 121 on vet. A nice place and nice reward for vetting, that rng against med tanks at max range like t3476 and 76sherman. Right today, even aec can troll it.
panther vet bonus is bad and scale poorly late game.
allies TD got huge pen buffs which negate axis armor. they get delicious vet bonus. every one knows the 60 range thingy.
Hence this thread is calling for rebalancing panther armor that rewards its late game effectiveness.
Right today, even aec can troll it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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