Port of hamburg

Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 22:07 PMaerafield

Maps like Hamburg and Ettelbruck station are very poorly designed in my personal opinion... but somehow they are also pretty popular (veto-rate is not high) so I guess we will never see those removed

Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 22:15 PMSander93

I have no idea why Hamburg needs to have those canals that throw any flanking possibilities out the window. The routes and the space is there, but there's nowhere to cross. I guess the lower ranked players just like to sit at a bridge/chokepoint or throw units at it. Perhaps it's The Scheldt syndrome.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 22:25 PMSander93

This would make the map not perfect, but 10x better than what it is at the moment imo.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 23:47 PMRosbone

Personally I like making big changes to a map. But in this case I dont know if that is the right move. This is a favorite for many players.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 00:40 AMSander93

Would you mind making a quick WIP version that fills up the canals next to the top and bottom victory points and fuels? I think that'd make the map much, much better to play and I'd love to try it out.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jun 2019, 23:47 PMRosbone

I love this map It is also the most popular 4v4 map at the moment I believe.

Just a reminder the middle above the VP was opened up a while ago with Capiquas version (which was great). And last patch the center bridge was hardened and a foot bridge was added to aid flanking.

Personally I like making big changes to a map. But in this case I dont know if that is the right move. This is a favorite for many players.

I would rather see some new 4v4 maps added. Relic announced one in the works. Maybe we can talk them into adding a couple others

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 00:40 AMSander93

Would you mind making a quick WIP version that fills up the canals next to the top and bottom victory points and fuels? I think that'd make the map much, much better to play and I'd love to try it out.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 06:53 AMKirrik

Vetoed it long ago, it's super axis favored in all stages of the game.
Cant really flank dedicated MG42 spammers due to chokepoint design of the map which leads to mortar spam which favors in-your-face OKW trucks that reinforce leigs/mortars.
In late game once elefant/JT are out you cant realistically take north or mid as flanking isnt possible
Even Red Ball is better than this as you can use lanes you have control of to flank enemy

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 08:13 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

Invest in more artillery.

No, more.

Even more.

More than that.

Keep going.


Ele / JT don't do anything if all the infantry is a fine red mist.

It's always a duel of artillery, and IMO allies have a slight advantage there. But it is super restrictive for commanders. You NEED heavy artillery. Ideally a few mortar halftracks (one usf player can supply everyone). A recon + offmap combo to remove fixed guns.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 11:10 AMKirrik

And axis players cant invest in Stukas and Werfers LeFHs?, right? Because only allies have acess to artillery.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 11:10 AMKirrik

And axis players cant invest in Stukas and Werfers LeFHs?, right? Because only allies have acess to artillery.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 11:42 AMSander93

Continuous howitzer fire into chokepoints is usually more effective than a rocket barrage every now and then. Stukas and PWerfers will die to single random howitzer shots. LeFHs will get killed by the motorized howitzers or offmaps. In turn, Stukas/PWerfers/LeFH have very little chance to kill a motorized howitzer and motorized howitzers have a good chance to survive or evade offmaps.

On top of that USF mortar halftrack is much better than the Ostheer mortar halftrack.



So while yes, the Axis have good artillery too, SeductiveCardbordBox is right that the Allies do have an advantage. Assuming the cost difference is negligible with the resource inflation 4v4s usually have.