KV1 and Churchill can take too much damage

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:41 AMmrgame2

Its pretty clear axis, especially Wehr is handicapped against high hp high armor allies heavies. It is akin to making allies td to 50 range/or no pen vet/ap rounds. Imagine playing with this kind of td stats.

The jadpanzer while have the range, its pen is bad, still more worthy than a stug though

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:13 AMKatitof

Panther, vetted ost P4, OKW P4, JP4(if it'll ever get in range, which it won't with that op acceleration and up speed).
Also, it appears you have just found a way to deal with churchill yourself, congratulations, mission accomplished.

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Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:34 AMmrgame2

While i wont 1v1 Churchill against panther, i also say panther is no hard counter against it. You need heavy micro to keep its 260 armor facing its fast turning high accurate gun... funny you think that panther shouldn't go against allies td, but here the situation, panther are not effective counter.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:34 AMmrgame2

Why you keep saying Churchill gun is impotent?

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:51 AMDomine

This is the whole core of the problem. While the allied factions have no problems with high armour/health units, the axis ones do not have the same capabilities, because they face higher armour units while at the same time having lower pen capabilities on their TDs themselves.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:54 AMVipper

A Churchill can deal with vetted a PzIV,a OKW P4, a Brumbar without any support.

Churchill has a good chance to deal with 2 PAks/Raks without any support, it even has a decent chance vs 2 Ostheer PzIV with little support.

If it faces Panther or JP it simply need some ATG support and it is fine.

Pls elaborate how you (and not We) have established that "Churchill does need plenty of support". End pls try to learn the difference between stating fact or expressing you opinion.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:57 AMStug life

to add to this i just tested the Churchill with most heavy tank and panther, it manages to at least bring them to half HP before dying, so I can safely say that the gun on the Churchill is not impotent

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:58 AMLago

At what range and how many times?

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 12:00 PMmrgame2

Hey guys, what you think of making panther and p4 with armor skirts vet, rear armor becomes 120.

It make allies med tanks max range shot harder to deal 160 damage. Makes more sense with tiering. Cheap sherman t34 or aec still deals heavy damages just because.

Doing so will preserve allies tanks for more AT duties

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 12:11 PMLago

The rear armour of a skirted Ostheer P4 is already 117. 120 would make next to no difference to any weapon.

It's also unlikely to make a difference to the Panther: all mediums have at least 120 near penetration.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 12:13 PMmrgame2

That's the point. Range shot should be for td.
Med tanks need to put some work coming at axis tanks. Same way axis now have to push, micro stop to shoot.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 12:00 PMStug life

3 times each close range like p4 lrnght from each other, tested tiger panther and is 2

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 12:16 PMLago

Then I feel the need to question why medium tanks are getting long range shots on your Panther's rear armour in the first place.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 11:56 AMKatitof

Allow me to introduce you to the panther.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 13:17 PMDomine

All that while being several orders of magnitude more of an investment.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 13:17 PMDomine

The Panther is not only a super expensive T4 tank destroyer, it also takes more than a minute of shooting to destroy an afk Churchill(provided it won't miss or bounce, which it will).

All that while being several orders of magnitude more of an investment. The Stug and JPIV, both dedicated, turretless tank destroyers, have so little penetration that a churchill could definitely just comfortably ignore them. Even when shooting the Churchill from behind, they'd still bounce a lot of shots, regardless of veterancy.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 13:28 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

Penetration at max range on a StuG and JgPz IV is 170 (at vet 0) to the rear armour of 180 on a Churchill. Claiming this will 'bounce lots of shots' is pure fabricated BS when the percentage chance of it happening is a aingle digit at vet 0

Jump back to quoted post5 Jun 2019, 12:44 PMKatitof

Its extremely difficult to fabricate less realistic scenario, given all of these tanks are much faster then churchill and all of them(except P4) have more then enough penetration to never close below 40 range against it.
In Panthers case, its a 100% win ratio with zero damage taken, because it got all, speed, range and penetration advantage.

That leaves P4, which is supposed to not be able to stand a chance, but always able to escape due to superior speed.


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