Overwatch Flares, rework or remove

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:33 PMLago

Where's 'remove, don't replace?'

Overwatch has six abilities in it. Goliaths and flares should never have been bundled.

I think the sight radius should be reduced so it only shows you five metres around the point.

Then it serves its original purpose as a warning that Goliaths have been selected.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:31 PMdistrofio

Radio intercept ends up being your worst enemy now that you (want to) attack 'free' upgrade abilities, because it's far more useful thN the flares implementation, yet you don't complaint about it.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:33 PMLago

Where's 'remove, don't replace?'

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:42 PMSkysTheLimit

I left an "other" for the sake of not having a million choices. You explained your idea, which I appreciate. I wouldn't mind being gone either, but I find that people usually prefer reworks over removal

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:50 PMLago

And they're wrong.

The difference between an amateur designer and a professional is a professional will cut things that don't serve the whole.

The Commander Revamp Patch was very promising when it cut a load of stuff to make way for the new.

Then it went and rammed it all back in at the last minute, creating the current Mechanized and Overwatch commandrs.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:58 PMSuperHansFan

Problem with the radio intercept comparison is

1. It's not bundled with Goliath's

2. It's not more powerful the larger the teamgame.

All it takes is one overwatch player in 4vs4 and Axis can light up any capped sector like the fourth of July. And there's no micro or cost involved

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 15:00 PMLago

I'm fairly sure it only applies to the points you personally cap in teamgames.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 14:58 PMSuperHansFan

Problem with the radio intercept comparison is

1. It's not bundled with Goliath's

2. It's not more powerful the larger the teamgame.

All it takes is one overwatch player in 4vs4 and Axis can light up any capped sector like the fourth of July. And there's no micro or cost involved

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 16:31 PMSkysTheLimit

Yeah the ability is actually weaker in team games. It's stronger in 1v1s, where every point you control is auto-armed the moment you select the Commander.

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 17:14 PMdistrofio

Say what you want without rodeos. OKM ow flares are not op, but the commander could use a nerf imo

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 12:52 PMJibberJabberJobber

I don't agree on-map recon is always more useful. Radio Intercept provides invaluable intel that overwatch flares wouldn't be able to:

- Knowing a countersniper is on the field.
- Knowing your opponent has skipped a certain tech building / chose med or mech.
- Knowing how many tellers have been made.
- Figure out which doctrine your opponent went (doctrinal units).

Again, not saying Radio Intercept should be changed in any way, just that the main problem with overwatch flares is not their strength, but their implementation.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2019, 10:52 AMTric

I dont know if anyone mentioned this in this thread, but this ability is currently bugged. (shoutout to tobis for finding it months ago, here is the thread with a video).

The bug is once the flares are activated, it applies negative (red) cover around the point, for the REST OF THE GAME. It is never removed, and it is always there, forever.

Also I do believe having a small munitions cost for volks/sturms should be implemented, its the same thing for soviets... but perhaps it should be a bit stronger because it is a doctrinal ability vs the non-doc ability of soviets that also deals damage.

Perhaps after planting the flare, and it going off, it captures slightly slower? It would fit the theme of "overwatch" in a way I suppose, and would give a choice between upgrading units/mines vs the utility of the ability.

Would like to see a little more variety and an increase in the skill ceiling for free LOS and information, not entirely sure what that would look like. Either way, ability is bugged, and needs fixed regardless.

Jump back to quoted post2 May 2019, 10:52 AMTric

I dont know if anyone mentioned this in this thread, but this ability is currently bugged. (shoutout to tobis for finding it months ago, here is the thread with a video).

The bug is once the flares are activated, it applies negative (red) cover around the point, for the REST OF THE GAME. It is never removed, and it is always there, forever.