Comet tank has been too nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 18:18 PMVipper

Comet can counter Paks with grenades and smoke/WP while the Stug has a hard time penetrating the frontal armor of the Comet.

My memory is fine and Comet is not an "AI" tank but a tank that has AI which is quite different. AI vehicles are units with primarily AI weapons like the hezter, centaur and Ostwind...

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 18:28 PMSuperHansFan

Grenades have 60 range?

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 18:28 PMSuperHansFan

Notice how I typed Faust support, any pro player like Nicko or Jove will have a gren nearby to snare you the moment you get close. So yes I think a Pak can counter comet. The same way 57mm can counter a P4 or panther with commander upgrade. Just because there's some ability counterplay for the tank there it doesn't invalidate AT guns as a counter.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 18:28 PMSuperHansFan

WP is an expensive vet ability that bugs out and doesn't fire or gets caught on terrain half the time. But you pretend it's brumbar bunker buster barrage by the way you bring it up.

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 18:28 PMSuperHansFan

So let me ask you straight up, do you think comet is undeserving of a buff?

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 18:28 PMSuperHansFan

Grenades have 60 range?... Just because there's some ability counterplay for the tank there it doesn't invalidate AT guns as a counter.
... But you pretend it's brumbar bunker buster barrage by the way you bring it up.

So let me ask you straight up, do you think comet is undeserving of a buff?

Jump back to quoted post29 Apr 2019, 19:22 PMVipper

Comets' Grenade have a range of 15


Comet is far better than PzIV and far better than Panther to deal with ATGs. It has has a sight bonus to begin with, and the combination of smoke and grenades is very useful against ATGs.


Smoke/WP can be used to counter ATG from a relatively safe distance.

I never "pretended" that it is brumbar's bunker buster barrage, if you keep putting words in my mouth will have a hard time making any progress in this debate.

If it is bugs that much it should a priority to fix it before buffing the unit, the same way Guards should have had their dance bug fixed before being buffed.


The answer is it depends.

Comet comes with a number of abilities like "war speed", grenades, smoke, WP smoke, tracking, commander and thus one has to take all these things into account when evaluating the unit.

If one want to buff the base performance of the unit one should probably have to take a look at all the things that come with the Comet and adjust them accordingly.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 18:31 PMSuperHansFan

Panzer 4 or panther with commander is more reliable at wiping AT gun then comet, you forget it can call in very quick arty. But that doesn't mean AT gun suddenly is not a counter... Tanks will still fall pray if you get snares and AT gun has a shot on you despite any of these abilities

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 18:32 PMStug life

are u really comparing a 120 munition off map art to a grenade ?

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 18:52 PMSuperHansFan

Yes because it comes down almost instantly and is more reliable at killing at gun, even if it is slightly more pricey. It's worth it for the wipe on 320mp unit, grenade or WP is more obvious and less effective (usually survive after a hit).

But according to you comet is better tank, despite panther being better in almost every way. Stats and vet buffs don't lie, and now OKW commander upgrade exists you can't retreat to the "but comet has extra LoS + abilities that can kill AT gun!" Excuse either, because panther has option for even more beastly option and is not OP

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 19:19 PMStug life

well i guess i want a buff to VG nades as they are not as good as the flame art off map of the soviet, it's slightly more price but who cares

btw are u comparing a stock upgrade to a commander one ? cause if so we need to heavily nerf ukf as they have the sexton and so don't lack mobile art by ur logic

panther is a tank hunter , comet is a mini tiger, panther is better at tank fights, comet is better for general purpose, never said comet was better as they are 2 different tanks, comet just need 15% reload speed at vet 1 or scatter

stay mad fanboy

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 19:23 PMSuperHansFan

I use panther + commander arty as an example because it's not OP despite it being able to counter it's counter (AT gun) with some of the fastest and hardest to dodge arty in the game.

It doesn't matter if it's doctrinal because the unit is functional in the game and is balanced (like comet would be if it got same range and reload buff with vet). But I'm glad you agree with me comet needs vet buff

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 19:28 PMStug life

it matters and the art cost x8 the cost of a grenade + the cost of the upgrade
u can't just compare stuff with "feels", why don't give gren IR path finder art strike ? it's better and the unit is functional and balanced

yea a 50 range generalist was already op let's not remake it

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 19:32 PMSuperHansFan

in the context of game balance no it doesn't matter. Because I am using the unit as an example of units having abilities to deal with their counter in a specific retort to vippers argument that it could be break AT gun balance

I would dare say we see more panthers with commander these days than "non-doc" comet tanks anyway. Comet is a unicorn

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 19:36 PMStug life

comet is used when u are ahead, churchil is just the fafest bet as 1 + a FF cover each other weakness perfectly and is more consistent, comet has higher armor and better gun but it's not a clean pair with the FF

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 19:42 PMSuperHansFan

Then why do Hans, luvnest, vonivan, momo, kimbo, vonansten etc any top player now avoid comet the plague? I bet you couldn't even link me three games of top players using comet the three months. Meanwhile I could find you 40 examples of people just building two Cromwell's instead

Two Cromwells are much much much better than the fuel sink that is the comet when you're ahead (by the way you didn't quote half my post)

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 18:52 PMSuperHansFan

Yes because it comes down almost instantly and is more reliable at killing at gun, even if it is slightly more pricey. It's worth it for the wipe on 320mp unit, grenade or WP is more obvious and less effective (usually survive after a hit)...

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 19:42 PMSuperHansFan

Then why do Hans, luvnest, vonivan, momo, kimbo, vonansten etc any top player now avoid comet the plague? ...

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 18:52 PMSuperHansFan

Yes because it comes down almost instantly and is more reliable at killing at gun

Jump back to quoted post1 May 2019, 18:58 PMSkysTheLimit

If you guys are done derailing the thread, the comet could use some light tweaks. It needed nerfs before, but it got too many. Give it reload speed with vet, and give it back the moving acc multiplier and call it a day