KV1 has "pitiful" firepower, yet it hardcounters Ost p4, heck it even has a big advantage vs OKW p4 for being at the same fuel cost. Ost p4 has 0% chance to beat kv1 in a 1v1 fight. I'd say OKW p4 probably has a 5% chance. While a cheaper sherman or crom can beat an ost p4 around 35-40% of the time. The gun may be lacklustre, but the armor and health allow it to bully ANY medium with ease.
"pitiful" my ass.
Should KV1 get 'Inspire' ability?
17 Apr 2019, 01:27 AM
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17 Apr 2019, 01:34 AM
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Only panthers and heavy/superheavies pen everytime so they'd rather face KV1, but anything less bounce off the KV1 a reasonable amount.
The pak40 has a 70% chance of penetrating a kv1 at Max range, and a 79% chance of penetrating a Churchill. 3 extra shots is much better than a difference of 30 armor.
Yes we all know how damage reduction works. Saying it repairs faster than the Churchill is a useless point, the Churchill has more health even with RD taken into account. It doesn't even necessarily repair faster, as Katitof pointed out. Heavy sapper upgrade come in the same tech as the churchill
17 Apr 2019, 01:44 AM
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Kv1 is a 7hit kill after taking into account damage reduction, churchill is 8hit kill. But in your world 8-7 = 3.
It's actually a 9 hit kill so you're wrong too. 2 more shots so nice try. Either way +400hp is way better than +30 armor. The panther just traded +160 for -60 armor
17 Apr 2019, 01:45 AM
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It's actually a 9 hit kill so you're wrong too. 2 more shots so nice try. Either way +400hp is way better than +30 armor. The panther just traded +160 for -60 armor
I'm gonna have to blame coh2stats cuz they said 800HP while another site said 960Hp for KV1.
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17 Apr 2019, 01:51 AM
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I'm gonna have to blame coh2stats cuz they said 800HP while another site said 960Hp for KV1.
Or you could just admit your mistake an move on, rather than trying to cover it up. I made a math error when dividing, but i wasn't unsure about any of the unit stats. 400hp difference is better than 30 armor, easily.
17 Apr 2019, 01:57 AM
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Are KV-1 Htanks meant to be TD?
Are they supposed to have buttloads of HP and armor (everyone here forgot KV-1 rear armor is higher than KT rear armor) AND on top of that a "decent" gun -by allie fanboy standards- firepower, able to shutdown Pz4 and Panthers alike?
Is this madness?
Are they supposed to have buttloads of HP and armor (everyone here forgot KV-1 rear armor is higher than KT rear armor) AND on top of that a "decent" gun -by allie fanboy standards- firepower, able to shutdown Pz4 and Panthers alike?
Is this madness?
17 Apr 2019, 04:17 AM
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Are KV-1 Htanks meant to be TD?
Where do you see anyone suggesting they become a TD? There's a lot of room between the main gun of a t34/76 and TD level power
17 Apr 2019, 04:29 AM
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I agree, not to mention the fact that in order for hull down to be effective, good offensive power is usually needed. Otherwise it's just an immobile sponge
A bitch gun and a lot of durability that's immobile means something you can ignore imo. Like one will waste their AT on an immobile but durable t34...
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17 Apr 2019, 04:30 AM
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Added: WHILE HULL DOWN a t34/85 cannon might be an interesting start point to make it a threat.
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17 Apr 2019, 06:14 AM
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Where do you see anyone suggesting they become a TD? There's a lot of room between the main gun of a t34/76 and TD level power
Happy to help a little fella learn to read:
It should be reduced reload then, instead of damage reduction. Fighting a cheap tank that can bring itself to Churchills level of HP would be very tedious.
140 fuel is cheap now?
Also, KV-1 problem isn't durability, but pitiful firepower, a flanking gun on a platform that can't flank.
I agree, not to mention the fact that in order for hull down to be effective, good offensive power is usually needed. Otherwise it's just an immobile sponge
And before you answer, no one is saying that KV1 needs more AI, but AT to fight off OKM Pz4 and Panthers.
If that doesnt bring KV1 to TD tier i dont know what then, if 1v1 battles turn in favour for KV1, then congrats now KV1 is officialy a Heavy TD.
17 Apr 2019, 07:50 AM
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140 f for a 7hit, 270 armor sponge, yes that's cheap. Churchill is 160f for an 8hit 240 armor sponge and requires further tech.
Please oh great one, shin upon us the logic, which led you to believe a 400 EHP difference is 1 shot difference.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Apr 2019, 11:21 AM
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not the kv1 is weak..church is to strong...1400hp, high armor, ok mobilty, smoke to save the ass, very good AI, cann deal with panther and other heavys (can life long enough to soap all dmg while other make the dmg to heavy armor) and relativ cheap price. to is to good ..compared with the brits possbiltys ( 17pounders, FF, great 6 pounder, etc etc)
17 Apr 2019, 11:42 AM
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not the kv1 is weak..church is to strong...1400hp, high armor, ok mobilty, smoke to save the ass, very good AI, cann deal with panther and other heavys (can life long enough to soap all dmg while other make the dmg to heavy armor) and relativ cheap price. to is to good ..compared with the brits possbiltys ( 17pounders, FF, great 6 pounder, etc etc)
So go and make another "nerf churchil" thread and be laughed at there.
This is about KV-1, which at the very least needs heavy tank tailored vet.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Apr 2019, 13:20 PM
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So go and make another "nerf churchil" thread and be laughed at there.
This is about KV-1, which at the very least needs heavy tank tailored vet.
maybe you should install the game and play it to make posts about the balance from this game. Maybe than someone take you seriously
17 Apr 2019, 13:30 PM
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maybe you should install the game and play it to make posts about the balance from this game. Maybe than someone take you seriously
Maybe you should use less contradicting and false statements in an attempt to derail the thread and actually haul your ass to create a thread for something you have a problem with? Preferably on strategy forum as that's where all of your problems originate from.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Apr 2019, 13:36 PM
#57
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Maybe you should use less contradicting and false statements in an attempt to derail the thread and actually haul your ass to create a thread for something you have a problem with? Preferably on strategy forum as that's where all of your problems originate from.
i wasnt the guy who brought the church into this discussion. I only suggest that the compared tank(church) maybe isnt fair..because its to strong for its pricetag. thats why it is abused by so many players
17 Apr 2019, 13:38 PM
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i wasnt the guy who brought the church into this discussion. I only suggest that the compared tank(church) maybe isnt fair..because its to strong for its pricetag. thats why it is abused by so many players
Comparison of KV-1 to churchill is valid for the thread.
Whining how hard life is when churchill is on field and exaggerating about its performance is not.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
17 Apr 2019, 13:57 PM
#59
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Comparison of KV-1 to churchill is valid for the thread.
Whining how hard life is when churchill is on field and exaggerating about its performance is not.
and now explain us:
How can you take someone seriously who has not played for over a year but lets hang out the big balancer here?
it is like: being a ww1 soldier who complains about the soldier in ww2: senseless. You fought your war ... with almost complete other strategies and almost other units ... now you only fight in the forum with your old and outdated "fighting experience"
17 Apr 2019, 14:19 PM
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On topic please...
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