I dont like dmg reduction on rangers.
I'd rather less units have it, not more.
You are in luck, the modders agreed and is been removed from rangers. I'm not displeased, but if it was to remain no unit is now deserving than pgrens
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I dont like dmg reduction on rangers.
I'd rather less units have it, not more.
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You are in luck, the modders agreed and is been removed from rangers. I'm not displeased, but if it was to remain no unit is now deserving than pgrens
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Pgrens are probably the most underused unit in the game. I can't think of one that is used less.
I go double Sturms some games more than I've ever thought about making a Pgren. They always end in disappointment, a costly squad that is fiinicky to use, and if you upgrade to shrecks they'll just get crushed and focused so hard it makes you regret that decision.
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It needs some buffs for its underwhelming performance. I do not think the recent changes have improved Panzergrenadiers at all. It is just timing changes.
Performance needs to be looked over
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It needs some buffs for its underwhelming performance. I do not think the recent changes have improved Panzergrenadiers at all. It is just timing changes.
Performance needs to be looked over
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Timing changes are huge. Look at Recon Support Company: dropping I&R Paras and the Greyhound by 1CP turned it from off-meta into a powerhouse that needed emergency patching.
PGrens also get a new Vet 1 passive.
I'm much happier they're slow-buffing PGrens in the balance patch than buffing them to insanity and slow nerfing them after release.
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It did not see the vet 1. At least as they are buffing them slowly and fit its role a Mechanised kind of unit.
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Here is another idea for Veteran Training, kinda revamp Wehrmacht.
Through "Veteran Training" the following should be.
Pios get 5 man.
Grens all get G43, still have the option to get upgrade MG42.
Pzgrens better accuracy over distance and get smoke nade.
To make them perform better is a better compensation than giving them all 5 man.
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If you mean g43s with the same profile as jli upgrade package, this would be absolutely broken, if not the same profile than are you suggesting a replacement for the commander ability?
Also, it is somewhat unfair to compare obers and pgrens, due to tech level difference. Pgrens arrive a lot earlier, imagine obers from OKW T1.
The way I see it, pgrens are useful mostly for protection from enemy infantry or tanks with their shrecks. If you want to use them offensively, you need to support them and have more than 1 squad(or a pio with flamethrower). They become a lot better with Ambush training, since their biggest issue is not being able to safely get to an optimal position to do the damage. Sprint and camo give you a lot of possibilities to use them effectively. The new vet1 ability also helps quite a bit.
Right now I feel like the reason people don't like pgrens is because you have to use them a lot more precisely and carefully than a number of allied cqc infantry, and it is difficult to fit them in a build, due to the need for atleast 3 grens at the start.
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G43 profile should be the same as what wehrmacht currently has as a doctrine weapon. NOT THE SAME PROFILE AS JLI,that is OKW.
Pzgrens do come earlier so what does it matter. Should not mean that for that price, should perform any way lesser or lacking in comparison. Sure, timing is a factor but it should not be the case. Everything has to be compared to price and performance. Timing should be independent of those 2 factors.
No wonder many things are unaccounted for because everyone has justified time with their current performance. I am saying that either buff Pzgrens accuracy or RA. Currently both are weaker than Obers accuracy and RA. That is what I am stating.
Should be near but not the same level. Pzgrens should be performing less than Obers but not far lesser than it currently does. That is the point. For its current performance it should be otherwise be 300 manpower. I do not see how it should be 340 manpower at all for the way it currently is.
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Pzgrens do come earlier so what does it matter. Should not mean that for that price, should perform any way lesser or lacking in comparison.
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Pgrens are probably the most underused unit in the game. I can't think of one that is used less.
I go double Sturms some games more than I've ever thought about making a Pgren. They always end in disappointment, a costly squad that is fiinicky to use, and if you upgrade to shrecks they'll just get crushed and focused so hard it makes you regret that decision.
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Man, team games really are a different beast.
In nearly every 4v4 game (not an exaggeration, at least 80%) if there is a Wehrmacht player, pgrens will see use, and about half of those games 2 will be used.
I get that things are different in 1v1 but pgrens are very common in team games.
edit: Ok so this is just anecdotal but I just went to twitch and I see Price doing a triple-shrek squad that can one-volley t-34s. It's just hilarious.
Though in team games, this isn't actually uncommon so eh.
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