Why does the Firefly have to suck so much?

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2019, 12:54 PMSuperHansFan

I don't know why people are saying being able to rush a FF is such an amazing perk. (Also I'm pretty sure Ost can field a stug faster even if UK player deprives himself of 5man and brens)


People rush AA tanks or mediums because they give you a shock factor to punish infantry and light vehicles. Jackson, FF stug or SU85 just gives you a panzerfaust target, these units are responsive counters, rushing one is just a waste of fuel and pop cap before your enemy has heavy armour

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2019, 13:32 PMdistrofio

Make the firefly cheaper, like 100 fuel cheaper. And then raise tech T2 cost 150 fuel. There now firefly is dirt cheap and effective, not even SU can spamm that much, but hey pay for the "advantage" with a 265 Fu T2 price tag.
Happy now?

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2019, 13:34 PMLago

That'd turn UKF into a pretty much exclusively Crocodile-stalling faction.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2019, 13:37 PMdistrofio

I was being sarcastic, sry to point that out.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2019, 13:17 PMVipper

There is little point in rushing a FF.

On the other hand it has been claimed that it does not have lower tech cost than other heavy TD and it has been suggested that it fuel cost could go down.

Thus the low tech cost has been highlight to explain the problem that might derive from a fuel cost reduction.

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2019, 14:12 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

...but even if we didn't, what's the use of a FF rush? Still too late to counter early LVs. Still way too early to fight heavy tanks. No AI to speak of.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2019, 07:45 AMullumulu

I cant imagine why some guys here want a buff for the FF. Its is on of the best TD ingame. It has a turret, HIGH alpha dmg, stun, with upgrades a fast reload, fow-view and when u have 2 of them you doesnt need anything more to counter every armor (even in teamgames) easily.

must be a l2p issue if u have problems with them....

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2019, 23:15 PMKoRneY

People want a buff for the FF because the KT can kill up to four models.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 00:03 AMdistrofio

Allied AI tanks pretty much do the same and more consistenly on i dont see anyone asking panther buffs.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2019, 11:14 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

A KT which can kill four models or more a shot, which has MGs, which has front armour through the roof and a HP pool to match.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 00:18 AMKoRneY

I was quoting this madness. It's a stretch at best.

Jump back to quoted post12 Mar 2019, 23:15 PMKoRneY

People want a buff for the FF because the KT can kill up to four models.

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 08:28 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

Nice attempt, but no, you can't just grab two totally unrelated parts of a larger conversation and tie them together into a strawman for your own convenience.

It's a long conversation path to the KT, but it DID involve somebody saying that because the Croc exists and can exist on the same map as a Firefly somehow the brits are impossible to maybe address the cost efficiency of.

(The cost efficiency that the Firefky currently sorely lacks, having to burn hundreds of MU a gane to be worth its price, even if the Vet 3 is good)

Jump back to quoted post13 Mar 2019, 09:02 AMStug life

it's already cost efficient, best accuracy, best mid range (so even more pen and accuracy), one of the best vet, turret
if we add tulips and tank commander it's beast that can stun and one shoot tanks