[TEST] Best Long Range Anti Infantry Unit

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 12:27 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

Never have a problem vettig up JLI myself.

Its a small and incomprehensive test, but the results should surprise nobody, and JLI remain broken. Would be good to have a sample size of a hundred each. Got a few days to spare..?

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 13:39 PMEsxile

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But they are closely monitoring them, they already made everything possible to not change their stats, to make sure that they continue to be OP at all cost. I mean it is not like we all know that whatever price an OP unit has, it remains OP.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 13:48 PMVipper

In the majority of times when a unit is characterized Over Performing it is meant OP for cost.

I JLI had a price of 500 manpower they would UP for cost.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 13:39 PMSander93

Even more so the fact that the way these tests were set up (a tested squad facing the previous tested squad) does not produce conclusive results. Or the fact that the incredibly small sample size can potentially favor units that rely more on RNG than others (JLI sniper over Obers LMG for example), or disfavor them. Or the fact that the conclusions drawn do not consider unit cost, timing, role or context. For example Guards do less AI damage for sure, but they have a huge advantage in bringing some light AT as well.

It also seems to use units that are not even remotely comparable (LMG Grens, Jaeger Command Squad, Guards, Panzerfusiliers, etc. all have completely different roles and strengths) to make the top squad(s) seem even better than they really are, although I'm not sure if this was done on purpose.



If one wants to make a truly competetive list, the tests need to be run in a considerable sample size (for the sake of reasonability I'd say 5-10 runs per squad at least, though of course preferably something closer to 100), done in a completely similar testing environment (all tested squads facing the same squad), at different vet levels and in different situations (no/yellow/green cover), comparing only squads that have a very similar role (JLI/Obers/Paras for example) and using something like Time To Kill as a neutral measurement. Then this Time To Kill would have to be brought into perspective by bringing in things like unit cost into comparison.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 10:43 AMAlphrum

realistically, squads will be fighting in cover and without and at all ranges, just because cover is a core component doesn't mean it will be used at all times,a vet 5 JLI in green cover long range, is the most optimal area for them ofc they will excel in it. But JLI should be 300mp at least

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 14:32 PMBizrock

You can come with your own conclusions about this.
Thanks bro.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 14:32 PMBizrock

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And BTW I don't care about the role of the unit, if a ranger is doing a good long damage DPS, I am testing it. ..

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 14:31 PMEsxile

That's two different things. JLI are OP by stat and OP for their cost together. Exemple: King Tiger and T-A were during a long time OP even if super costly because the moment you get them your opponent couldn't do shit vs them or invest even more resources to get something that could counter them.

JLI priced at 500 manpower would simply be overpriced OP units so nobody can afford to buy them but if you could we would be back to the exact same situation.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 14:35 PMStug life

how the fuck did barfinder lose to panzerfusilier the scoped rifle alone deal double the dps of 1 kar 98 so 4 panzer fusiler = 2 path finder mans
if u had BARs and the 40% crit it's like 20% chance to win ?

try again

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 15:05 PMVipper

Then you should test ranger 3 BARs...


That makes no sense at all.

Over performing is a unit that performs better than it should, according to you KT over perform because its base stats are OP...

In order for a unit to over perform it has to compared to something and one has to take into all all factor including price...

In addition the "base stat" are not that good to begin with, when built they have the same weapon as grenadiers with 0.8 target size.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 15:44 PMShadowLinkX37

How exactly are 1919 paras losing to thompson rangers at max range?

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 15:48 PMBizrock

It isn't the thompsons, but 3 BARS with the Rangers Stats. I can do a video for you if you want. Or you can test yourself.

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 15:44 PMShadowLinkX37

How exactly are 1919 paras losing to thompson rangers at max range?

Jump back to quoted post6 Mar 2019, 15:21 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

Ignore me that was pointed at Fusis.

A more interesting question. The BARs are higher priority than the Scoped rifles AFAIK, so they lose the snipe rifles before they lose their BAR. At four versus six models pathfinders drop DPS faster and can no longer snipe at half models, while the G43s retain their full damage output as the KARs drop and only the weapon upgrade remains.