Can we adjust the Scott already?

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 11:29 AMVipper

Its rather difficult to tell. USF where designed to be a offensive faction but with the new changes to their tech tree they can be as nearly as defective as Ostheer while their pack howitzer, Scott, Major Arty/Reckon, MHT and Priest give them the edge over Ostheer in static play.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 11:55 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

Already works that way.

60 range on the autofire, 80 on the barrage. Autofire is AT gun range.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 23:26 PMGrim

Although I do play mostly team games so perhaps this is a 1v1 issue?

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 07:59 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

Nothing that a pair of Mortar HTs wouldn't achieve at half the price, at an earlier time in the game, only with access to WP for bonus machine gun hate.

The main gun on the scott does not outrange AT guns on autofire and the shell arc firing over obstacles gives the rounds plenty of travel time before they land. For 70 fuel invested over a Pack Howitzer (which brings considerably more hurt) it gets to be as durable as a Greyhound.

If a pair of them are laying into you thats 140fuel in the pot with zero AT potential. You should be able to work your counters appropriately.

The scott is good but it's also major tech, has a modest AoE and the barrage is only a polite request for a unit to move. Its AI falls well brlow the StuG E and Brum, it can't bounce anything, and anybody telling you to circle AT guns with it is a German trying to sabotage the allied war effort.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 19:54 PMWingZero

I have to agree with Scott needs to be adjusted. I fought numerous good players with top notch micro with Scott and it is almost impossible to counter this thing ESPECIALLY in team game. Allot of time USF players go infantry with few zooks and Scott spam while the team mate can build TDs to counter any tanks. The only solution I found against this cancer is Elephant.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 08:09 AMSupremeStefan

omg this so ridiculus rocket arty needs zero micro and is more deadly and almost imposible to kill. Poor usf have no good lategame idirect fire verus turtle players and still u guys trying to tell me this thing need a nerf. Imo 4vs4 is now on perfect spot but if u desperatly want change then change scott into more anti camper unit than anti blob tool sherman is good enough for this role. Maybe nerf scott autofire attack or delete it and add strong barrage something like little priest with range like rocket arty what u think?

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 15:04 PMdistrofio

Scotts were never meant to delete people with such ease.
If your opponent turtles pack howie and priest are your getaway card. Also UFF itself is a great turtler too.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 16:18 PMWingZero

Lol what? USF is a very mobile army in the game. Also, USF will need to commit to a commander doctrine in order to fight defense Wehrmacht/OKW. Other than that, USF has no indirect fire late game that is a stock unit.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 08:07 AMthedarkarmadillo

I don't think 45-50 range is an unreasonable start.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 17:24 PMdistrofio

Firstly i refer to turtle as for other RTS games, wich mean strong lategame defense, and probably a slow but steady map contol increase. So ost with bunker spam and elephant is able to turtle as fir USF with jacksons, riflemen and the new team weapons. Pack howie is a early long indirect fire abke to move, wich means it can deterr enemy defensive positions as a LeFh or Sexton will do. It is underperforming comoared to the lastly mentioned units but its avability and cheapness make up for it.
As fir USF mobility it doesnt mean that much if your intentions are holding ground, vps or defend. Its useful to hunt diving tanks or pickup oportunities but it does not affect the faction profile overall.
USF has an early aggresive midgame adaptative late game turtle style of play.

I hope this elaboration is useful, if you already knew this things pls ignore them

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 18:32 PMSupremeStefan

pack howie its great but not for late game especially when enemy have stuka or panzerwerfer then u bulid scott and notice its only usefull when okw bois blobs but not when u need to destroy pak43 . Why usf always need to be agressive ? Just look at okw if they want they can be agressive or if they want they can be turtle faction. Or if they want they can deny your campy play style with stuka.
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Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 19:57 PMdistrofio

I am lnly quoting to answer you. Just that, being that said lets continue in a civil manner.

USF can do aswell choose to remain aggresive on lategame or become static or turtler. Jackson beat mediums and heavies, get a priest or use heavy amounts of smoke to push on defensive positions, use riflemen and flank and call ins, 1v1 pack howie vs axis howitzers always loose, no surprise. Rocket arty is designed to counter team weapons, if you didnt know that... carrying on, you have the tools, the risk snd the benefit and the skill to perform such maneuver is up to the player.
Now USF can dig up using AT walls, .50 cals and jacsons and scotts. Its possible to hold OST focusing on their tanks and OKM on their inf.
On the other side when you loose inf as axis you are forced to dive with tanks, thats not the case here but an example of when you wether can or cannot choose your playstyle.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2019, 20:33 PMSupremeStefan

Yeah thats nice rocket arty counter pack howie i know that but i was taking about usf tools witout commander that usf is hopeless when someone camp because how u said stuka rape pack howie because its normal and scott is only good when autofire blobs but cant even kill pak43 crew more funny thing is that pak43 counter scott. Smoke and flank is not the answer. But yes usf should be happy because there is awlays brit player who cry in corner with his mortar pit.