Discuss for the votes

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 17:22 PMEtherealDragon

We're kind of passed that point seeing as how Guard Motor, Shock Rifle, Armor Company, Mechanized, Special Ops, and most importantly Heavy Calvary already exist. I'd argue that 1 LMG Rifle isn't "superior" to 2X Bars so much as it is a different damage profile or play style. Adding LMG + EZ 8 is just another choice compared to Ranger + Pershing, Calv Rifle + 76MM or Ass Engineers + Bulldozer/M10 - it's not exactly novel or blatantly better than existing USF commanders.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 17:32 PMVipper

Finally this patch should focus on creating new commanders not fixing design issues of other commanders.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 19:34 PMKirrik

M-42 and DShK in same commander is pointless, they are both are kinda bad anti-infantry weapons and bad anti-light vehicle weapons, having both in same doctrine is reduntant. Not even going to point out that currently even maxim is better than DShK as suppession/AI damage weapon

Having fuel drop in same doctrine as recon and strafes/bombs is pointless you can never have that many munitions to utilize all of that.

Airdropped DPs are "why?" tier, why not utilize ZiS truck to drop them and PTRS, like UKF Special Weapons truck does

Assault Guards would need same buffs Shocks got and at very least Sprint ability, they dont have Shocks armor or damage output by the time they close the gap they would already need to retreat otherwise

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 19:34 PMKirrik

M-42 and DShK in same commander is pointless, they are both are kinda bad anti-infantry weapons and bad anti-light vehicle weapons, having both in same doctrine is reduntant. Not even going to point out that currently even maxim is better than DShK as suppession/AI damage weapon

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 19:06 PMCrecer13

I would like to discuss the commander Guards Airborne corp - there are a lot of slots that make minimal use:
- an ally supply drop is a useful ability, but I think it conflicts with the IL-2 because it spends ammunition.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 19:34 PMKirrik

Airdropped DPs are "why?" tier, why not utilize ZiS truck to drop them and PTRS, like UKF Special Weapons truck does

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 19:06 PMCrecer13

I would like to discuss the commander Guards Airborne corp - there are a lot of slots that make minimal use:
- an ally supply drop is a useful ability, but I think it conflicts with the IL-2 because it spends ammunition.
- DShK possible option - an extremely bad variant, one overnerfed machine gun (no one uses it now) takes up a full slot.
- M-42 - would be an extremely bad option if only the gun is dropped, If this is an anti-tank group: a cannon plus a crew that can buy anti-tank weapons (ptrs or better bazooka as a stronger option for reinforcement of paratroopers), M-42 take the commander from the city battle or make a more anti-tank version: switches shells to sabot (as Sherman with 76 -mm cannon)?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 20:03 PMSmartie

Soviet Airborne could get some "Lend Lease" units: The UK carrier would be a really good choice.
US or UK AT gun could also be an option.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 20:02 PMEtherealDragon

You make good points, I like the idea of having DSHK as a slot so that it's in scope to be tweaked as it's definitely underwhelming in the live version of game. In my own submission I suggested that the Guards be given the Recon Paratrooper's treatment and given two upgrade paths for either AT (prefer bazookas myself) or some kind of AI (PPSH/Thompson). Airborne Guards with an AT upgrade could fill in the M42 slot and be used in Tier 1 builds alongside the DSHK. I personally don't want either Recon or IL2 strafe since they are done to death in vanilla commanders and would prefer the PTAB AT Bombs so that they are in more than 1 commander. It's very hard to be thematic with this commander without it being a munitions black hole - maybe some kind of glider or airdropped vehicle in exchange for fuel if it's possible? Air-dropped M10? *wink wink*

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 20:17 PMCrecer13

Unfortunately, the M10 cannot be parachuted (although the USSR received about 54 M-10), the Soviets could transport the BA-64, T-37/38/41 and T-40 and this would be a cool option if these tanks could be landed behind enemy lines.
You can add Guards T-34-85 as a reinforcement commander - with smoke bombs and sabotage shells.

Also, all parachutists have self-healing with Lutheranism, Soviet paratroopers also require self-healing.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 19:52 PMWiderstreit

Because it is broken and should be removed too.





Assault-Grens should spawn with smaller target-sice, now they get at Vet1 -10% received accuracy and with Vet2 -29% incoming accuracy. So why not split that and buff it a little bit?

Vet0: -5% received accuracy at AND -5% received accuracy
Vet1: -10% received accuracy, -25% sprint ability recharge time
Vet2: -25% cooldown, -30% incoming accuracy
Vet3: +40% accuracy, +25% range on Grenade Assault

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 21:04 PMKirrik

M3 dropping Piats and Vickers is broken? Forward Assembly literally does exactly that on top of healing or FRP. Do you even play Brits?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 21:24 PMKatitof

He probably means drops for soviets, because they are irrelevant for USF.

It also creates synergy between factions and we all know that synergy = batshit op if opponent has it, but balance/underpowered when you have it, like donating shitload of fuel to OKW as ost.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 21:04 PMKirrik

M3 dropping Piats and Vickers is broken? Forward Assembly literally does exactly that on top of healing or FRP. Do you even play Brits?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 21:24 PMKatitof

He probably means drops for soviets, because they are irrelevant for USF.

It also creates synergy between factions and we all know that synergy = batshit op if opponent has it, but balance/underpowered when you have it, like donating shitload of fuel to OKW as ost.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 22:22 PMWiderstreit

It is broken because of team-play, by pushing penals etc. The funktion should be replaced by an upgrade for 1x light Vickers for Tommies like the LMG42 upgrade for Grens. The M3 should get maybe a little aura like OKW Opel Blitz.

The current truck is simply a fail-design.
Or what would you think about Volks/Obers with 2xLMG42 dropped by an Ostheer-Teammate?

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2019, 14:56 PMVipper

People have every right to disagree with my opinion.
On the other hand people also did not hear the feedback for the latest revamp when I pointed out that:
Sector assault was problematic (nerfed 2 times already)
Valentine was problematic (now limited to 1)
JLI was problematic (nerfed 1)
or
That ST should get bonus damage vs building
Or
That ATG air drop should be replaced by pack howitzer