Blitzkrieg tactics balance issue

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 04:34 AMAppleseed

but you know Ram is not a vet ability but Blitz is.

there is not a single vet ability that can be disabled under any condition in the game atm. and some thing can disable vet ability is just unfair to that unit. reduce its effectiveness is ok. if we want it completely disable during engine damage then it should move into unit ability and give some thing else as vet ability.

also i think AT nades lands at where u click on the tank, same as how infantry throw nades to the building. it goes where it click on. i think if u click in the back it will hits the back. not completely sure about this. need more testing but i really don't have time to play recently

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 09:53 AMlink0

This is a game deciding RNG roll (A engine damaged vehicle is a dead vehicle), for which the inconsistency is terrible for a competitive RTS.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 05:30 AMOmega_Warrior

Actually it wouldn't be all that odd. For the motherland has debuffs after it and you have to pay 150 munitions to use it.

Jump back to quoted post15 Oct 2013, 15:09 PMCPU - Easy

I honestly think that making Blitzkrieg only work in the "forwards" direction would also work, silly as it may sound. You can still use it offensively, but it is harder to use as a get out of jail free card.

I have no idea if that is possible to code, however.

Jump back to quoted post27 Sep 2013, 18:25 PMTivook

Hi there.

I'd like to raise an issue I've been experiencing with the one vet ability on German tanks called Blitzkrieg tactics.

The problem I see with it is that it's possible to use this ability when the vehicle has engine damage which kind of nullifies the point of having engine damage since the tank itself can move at approximately 80% of it's normal movement speed when this ability is active.

I am completely fine with the ability itself because Germans needs to be able to quickly flank SU-85's when needed but;

Being able to recklessly attack your opponent and get engine damage through conscript anti tank grenade throws and then safely drive away because of Blitzkrieg Tactics combined with Panzer Tactician smoke upgrades is not balanced, especially when a Panther is extremely hard to kill when it reaches Vet 2 or more.

Solution: Remove the ability to use blitzkrieg tactics when engine is damaged.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 00:50 AMtimujin.il

completely agreed that's ridiculous to be able get out of dodgy situations so easily.
more over they should change AT nades penetration. its soviet only AT carried by inf. throwing five AT nades at a tiger and get them all re-bounce is laughable

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 02:06 AM=][=mmortal

so is charging 5 conscripts at a tiger? soviet at nades should destroy the main turret too german armor is so op its not even funny

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 03:48 AMTurtle

What if all AT grenades were much more difficult to cause engine crits on fully armored tanks from the front? Admittedly, this would mean against most players, engine crits won't happen. But this would free up some balance leeway for designers to increase the effectiveness of other Soviet AT that's effective from the front.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 04:05 AMTurtle

Yeah, but effectively they always still crit medium tanks. Which means Panzer 4s are still hit hard.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 05:51 AMNullist

Anyone happen to have the ATNade/Faust penetration figures + vs PIV/T34 frontal/rear chance, readily at hand?

Would help inform the discussion.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 06:12 AMlink0

AT nade = 100 penetration
Faust = 160 penetration

P4 has 160 front 80 rear
T34 has 115 front 70 rear

So faust causes engine damage 100% of the time to both front and rear of a T34.

AT nade causes engine damage 5/8 to P4 front and 100% to P4 rear.

Jump back to quoted post16 Oct 2013, 03:14 AMOmega_Warrior

Soviet infantry based AT is getting a buff somehow. Developers stated that they were making the faction less reliant on guards.