When u swing the nerv-keule: Dont forget the new units for other faction.
- 0cp callin pios for usf which are cheaper and better than OKW st pios
- USF close combat penals with shock dps in near combat und sticky satchels...combine them with a truck and u wipe anything..even on retreat
- UKF pios which can snare AND can upgraded with 2 piats while UKF has great AT tool (6pounder/ firefly / AEC/ sniper / 17pounder = all this NONDOC )
- new valentime spam wich carry a medium gun on a high speed verhicle
- ISU, Kv2 and kv8...which are outstanding great after this patch. on a faction which was mostly the best faction in the right hands...
How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?
18 Jan 2019, 07:42 AM
#61
Posts: 2243
18 Jan 2019, 09:07 AM
#62
Posts: 606
When u swing the nerv-keule: Dont forget the new units for other faction.
- 0cp callin pios for usf which are cheaper and better than OKW st pios
- USF close combat penals with shock dps in near combat und sticky satchels...combine them with a truck and u wipe anything..even on retreat
- UKF pios which can snare AND can upgraded with 2 piats while UKF has great AT tool (6pounder/ firefly / AEC/ sniper / 17pounder = all this NONDOC )
- new valentime spam wich carry a medium gun on a high speed verhicle
- ISU, Kv2 and kv8...which are outstanding great after this patch. on a faction which was mostly the best faction in the right hands...
the balance of JLI must be discussed on their own merit.
If you have specific problems with the balancing of those units then make a separate post for it plz.
In a game of assymetrical balance this silly whataboutery has no value.
18 Jan 2019, 09:44 AM
#63
Posts: 1979
- 0cp callin pios for usf which are cheaper and better than OKW st pios
ass engies are OP... try making another thread though as this is about JLI...
- USF close combat penals with shock dps in near combat und sticky satchels...combine them with a truck and u wipe anything..even on retreat
cav rifles are nowhere near as strong as assault engies...
- UKF pios which can snare AND can upgraded with 2 piats while UKF has great AT tool (6pounder/ firefly / AEC/ sniper / 17pounder = all this NONDOC )
- new valentime spam wich carry a medium gun on a high speed verhicle
the faction with 30% wr in GCS2 finally gets a snare... some bias there...
- ISU, Kv2 and kv8...which are outstanding great after this patch. on a faction which was mostly the best faction in the right hands...
remains to be seen for this one...
18 Jan 2019, 10:36 AM
#64
Posts: 573
NO! They need to be cheaper and better!
Funny thing, this kind of screwed up mentality among mod team is exactly what led them to this debacle in first place. It appears certain members of team believe that German units should be plain better than their Allied counterparts just because they are German, which led to JLI buff despite JLI already being vastly superior to Pathfinders even before buff
18 Jan 2019, 10:42 AM
#65
Posts: 606
Funny thing, this kind of screwed up mentality among mod team is exactly what led them to this debacle in first place. It appears certain members of team believe that German units should be plain better than their Allied counterparts just because they are German, which led to JLI buff despite JLI already being vastly superior to Pathfinders even before buff
That's a pretty harsh accusation if you have no proof to back it up with!
18 Jan 2019, 11:23 AM
#66
Posts: 214
Funny thing, this kind of screwed up mentality among mod team is exactly what led them to this debacle in first place. It appears certain members of team believe that German units should be plain better than their Allied counterparts just because they are German, which led to JLI buff despite JLI already being vastly superior to Pathfinders even before buff
What the gardening....
Pathfinders are scouts not combat infantry. The combat infantry come with paratroopers... the 6Man double MG or smg Unit.
Before the patch no one used them because they suck hard. Now they need a light MP nerf and thats all.
18 Jan 2019, 11:59 AM
#67
Posts: 3260
Funny thing, this kind of screwed up mentality among mod team is exactly what led them to this debacle in first place. It appears certain members of team believe that German units should be plain better than their Allied counterparts just because they are German, which led to JLI buff despite JLI already being vastly superior to Pathfinders even before buff
That's a pretty unfounded accusation. JLI are a broken mess because the Balance Team has very limited feedback tools for testing their changes: they're reliant on player feedback from testing the preview mod and that feedback is both limited and unreliable. There were literally complaints about the old Sector Assault being removed, which is why they crowbared two commander abilities together (Goliaths and warning flares) to shove it back in.
Under the circumstances mistakes are completely understandable. I just wish we had more information about what's going to be done to fix them.
18 Jan 2019, 12:02 PM
#68
Posts: 573
That's a pretty harsh accusation if you have no proof to back it up with!
Current JLI and Overwatch in it's current state is not enough proof for you?
Also 5 man Grenadiers with G43 being basically better Riflemen?
18 Jan 2019, 12:08 PM
#69
Posts: 172
Permanently Banned
Current JLI and Overwatch in it's current state is not enough proof for you?
Also 5 man Grenadiers with G43 being basically better Riflemen?
U forgot the hotfix that nerfed soviet AT arty to uselessness
Being a God is hard.
You are not me. Therefore you suck.
You are not me. Therefore you suck.
18 Jan 2019, 12:10 PM
#70
Posts: 2458 | Subs: 1
U forgot the hotfix that nerfed soviet AT arty to uselessness
That one is a classic overnerf. Haven´t seen the doctrine being used at all after the first few days of the new patch.
18 Jan 2019, 12:12 PM
#71
Posts: 3260
Current JLI and Overwatch in it's current state is not enough proof for you?
Also 5 man Grenadiers with G43 being basically better Riflemen?
No. That's not proof. Balancing a game with this many moving parts is difficult.
I see no reason to believe the balance patch is some sort of Axis fanboy conspiracy over it simply not being a perfectly balanced patch.
18 Jan 2019, 12:17 PM
#72
Posts: 606
No. That's not proof. Balancing a game with this many moving parts is difficult.
I see no reason to believe the balance patch is some sort of Axis fanboy conspiracy over it simply not being a perfectly balanced patch.
+1
If you seriously think that the balance team is deliberately trying to make the game unbalanced based on personal bias there's something seriously wrong with you!
18 Jan 2019, 12:19 PM
#73
Posts: 573
No. That's not proof. Balancing a game with this many moving parts is difficult.
I see no reason to believe the balance patch is some sort of Axis fanboy conspiracy over it simply not being a perfectly balanced patch.
There is no conspiracy here. Overwatch was buffed into oblivion after Wehraboos started whining on stream during 2v2 tournament test. JLI were buffed not because they were underpowered but because they were not used, which is obviously flawed line of thought considering the reason they were not used is doctrine they were put into was just worse version of Spec Ops.
18 Jan 2019, 13:09 PM
#75
Posts: 606
There is no conspiracy here. Overwatch was buffed into oblivion after Wehraboos started whining on stream during 2v2 tournament test. JLI were buffed not because they were underpowered but because they were not used, which is obviously flawed line of thought considering the reason they were not used is doctrine they were put into was just worse version of Spec Ops.
You just moved the goalpost from stating that members of the balance team had an obvious bias to changes being made due to compaints from streamers and that it was in a redundant commander (I don't know why you compare scavenge to spec ops though, as apart from the infiltration grenades they literally have nothing in common).
18 Jan 2019, 13:09 PM
#76
Posts: 3166 | Subs: 6
Current JLI and Overwatch in it's current state is not enough proof for you?
Also 5 man Grenadiers with G43 being basically better Riflemen?
This is one classic case of observation bias if I ever saw it. Did you forget about Assault Engineers, Shocks, KV-8 that are all performing excellent now (the first and latter even overperforming). Did you also forget about the 221/223 being pretty underwelming? 5 men Grenadiers are not better than (double) BAR Riflemen and with the extra reinforcement they cost nearly the same anyway.
Some units overperforming after balance changes do not prove bias at all. It simply means that balancing is a very complex and delicate process and it takes time to get things right with the limited amount of feedback and testing that is available at this point.
18 Jan 2019, 13:34 PM
#77
Posts: 573
You just moved the goalpost from stating that members of the balance team had an obvious bias to changes being made due to compaints from streamers and that it was in a redundant commander (I don't know why you compare scavenge to spec ops though, as apart from the infiltration grenades they literally have nothing in common).
Changes being made after constant Wehraboo crying that JLI and LeFH in just not good enough and that doctrine is "bad". And they listened to them and conciously threw buff after buff until it became unbearable, so they are either dumb OR biased - as in ignoring balance implications in favor of pleasing local wehraboo crowd.
18 Jan 2019, 13:40 PM
#78
Posts: 606
Changes being made after constant Wehraboo crying that JLI and LeFH in just not good enough and that doctrine is "bad". And they listened to them and conciously threw buff after buff until it became unbearable, so they are either dumb OR biased - as in ignoring balance implications in favor of pleasing local wehraboo crowd.
You're talking nonsense. First of all the statement that the JLI were only not used because they were in a bad doctrine is a completely unsupported statement that you just made up. They were not a great or very cost efficient unit before which is why they were not used (just like airborne pathfinders weren't used at 1 CP and US ass enigs were underperforming at 4 men).
Thus the so called "Wehraboo crying" was not completely unsubstantiated and it was also a point made by players like me who play all factions equally.
Secondly the commander revamp was picked by the players! This in its very nature means that commanders were going to be changed and the JLI was a welcome addition to an otherwise pretty insignificant doctrine.
Shit dude, this patch has barely been out for a month and you're talking like the game has been irreversably ruined.
Is it the first time you experience balance not being 100% on point after an extensive rework patch?
18 Jan 2019, 13:41 PM
#79
Posts: 3260
An otherwise solid patch being broken by sweeping last minute changes is pretty par for the course for this game. Exhibit A, USF mortar.
18 Jan 2019, 13:48 PM
#80
Posts: 13496 | Subs: 1
I am pretty sure that the people working on these patches are Wehraboos all of them.
I mean the had Penal run around with ourah and flamers only for four months.
I mean the had Penal run around with ourah and flamers only for four months.
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