Usf Rifle Company

Jump back to quoted post17 Dec 2018, 05:34 AMwandererraven

Compare Sherman 76C and E8
Health 640 - 720
Armor 160/80 -215/95 (better protection form PShecrk and Pz4)
Speed 6.5 -6.4
Cost 380/125 - 380/140
overall get better durable by 15 fuel

Next main cannon 76mm 76mm(HVAP) 76mm(E8)
Damage 160
Penetration (min-max)
120-140/165-220 /155-200
Acc 0.025-0.05/0.035-0.06/0.025-0.05
Reload 4.1-4.5/ 6.1/ 6.1-6.6
AOE 2 /0.25/2
moving acc 0.75 All (Sherman 75 mm have this stats too)
In summany 76mmHVAP overall is better expect Anti Infantry power

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2019, 12:27 PMblancat

My suggestion

0cp) rifleman field defence

0cp) rifleman veteran leader - merge flare and sprint and put in here, 60muni, equip 1 thompson, gain exp more +10%, accuracy +10%


Ez8 is fine

just add 'swapping HVAP' plz

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2019, 13:24 PMVipper

Imo "Rifleman field defenses" should not be so common (nor should be LMG for that matter).

Generally speaking mainline infantry should not be able to built cover (or should take way too long) that includes most infantries. (maybe not conscripts with out ppsh)

"Riflemen field defense" could allow fighting position and wire for riflemen and the rest should be move to R.E.


Possible abilities for riflemen could include a "hit the ground" ability or/and a weapon upgrade to Garand C (already in game) increasing long DPS or rifle grenade weapon.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2019, 12:27 PMblancat

My suggestion

0cp) rifleman field defence

0cp) rifleman veteran leader - merge flare and sprint and put in here, 60muni, equip 1 thompson, gain exp more +10%, accuracy +10%


Ez8 is fine

just add 'swapping HVAP' plz

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2019, 18:50 PMmurky depths

I'm not against that idea, but I think the change would have to start with all the other infantry and that Rifle Company specifically seems like the ideal choice to buff Riflemen with field defenses and sandbags.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2019, 21:11 PMVipper

If Rifle company loses Ez8 and focus on buffs to riflemen that would makes sense but the combination of superior riflemen and superior armor should not be available in one commander. (that includes other faction and commander also also).

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2019, 21:21 PMmurky depths

Sure, but this would require a massive overhaul -- there are a ton of commanders that grant upgunned tanks or heavy tanks and also an infantry upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2019, 22:11 PMVipper

Imo that is a necessary change that would help increase the meta allot more than simply revamping 2 commanders each time.

It would also help abilities individually since allot of them are problematic only because their available in strong combinations.

The current approach does not actually increase the commander available for meta, it simply replaces the 2-3 commander with new ones, since it basically over-buff certain units or abilities to make the commander more attractive.

Commander should follow a design that would make the total power of their abilities about equal to all others.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 01:21 AMMittens

The commander should be about riflemen short and sweet.

IMO the problem is that not only was flamethrower plopped on RE but there seem to be nothing pertaining riflemen rly.

They should get field defenses, flares, and more as playing this commander should accommodate a more infantry focused USF build.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 03:22 AMaddvaluejack

I think Ez8 is OK.

If we compare Ez8 with OKW's Pz4 (which is a no-doc unit and has same cost as Ez8), Ez8 is slightly better than OKW's Pz4.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 00:03 AMLoopDloop

Yeah but we have to remember what relic is actually willing to do here. 5 years in isn’t necessarily the time to make sweeping fundamental balance changes to commanders of every single faction in the game.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 04:40 AMLoopDloop

Ez8 is much worse against infantry though.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 17:43 PMBaba

you keep talking about stats without posting any sources. can you either start doing that or stop writing?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 17:43 PMBaba

you keep talking about stats without posting any sources. can you either start doing that or stop writing?