The Overwatch Problem

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 11:00 AMFelixTHM

Spoken like a true ridiculously-biased, Soviet-only fanboi, who thinks "Soviet demos were okay".

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 11:14 AMSander93

And he also thinks Penals should still win versus JLI when they charge them head-on from max range with no cover and that JLI are "just as effective as LMG Obersoldaten for 250MP" when they are clearly not.

Or that having Goliaths, For the Fatherland and Sector Assault all in one commander is super powerful when in reality you can only use one of the three consistantly because of obvious munitions costs.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 11:21 AMKirrik

Once you get 3 or above JLI squads, they become way more cost effective than anything in the game, including Obers. Penals are dedicated AI unit, they should win against anything but elite AI infantry, which JLI are not, they are sniper unit who can magically take down AI specialists head on.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 11:00 AMFelixTHM

Spoken like a true ridiculously-biased, Soviet-only fanboi, who thinks "Soviet demos were okay". Instead of stopping blobs the old demos forced people to blob your cutoff 24/7, because all your infantry needed to stick close to your sweeper squad, or be instant-wiped. Trying to cap anywhere on the map was auto-lose since you can't have 3 or 4 sweeper squads running around - even if Axis factions had a 170mp 30muni sweeper squad the pop cap would be unsustainable. Oh and the best part was that each of those sweeper squads needed to be microed properly, or they themselves would get instant-wiped. Oh, and vehicles also took massive damage from demos, with many LVs being insta-gibbed.

1) You could only capture territory with engineer squads equipped with sweepers
2) You needed to manually watch over and micro your engineer each time you cap a territory
3) Your opponent could shift-click cap the whole map with 170mp units

Everyone in Top 50 and Top 100 was spamming demos because they were the current-patch equivalent JLI (which you spend all your time creating threads and raging about). The fact that you're so wilfully ignorant of how completely OP the old demos were only goes to once again prove your over-the-top bias.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 04:23 AMgbem

Well the problem was it was essentially a 90 muni free wipe... kinda a bit too powerful for 90 muni...

Same with sector assault... now its a 250 muni free wipe that suppresses... doesnt need to be planted and gives free recon...

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 11:41 AMSander93

More cost effective maybe, that's not the point. Gbem claims JLI are as good 1:1 as LMG Obers when in fact they are at about 80% effective at mid-long range. Which means JLI just need a slight increase in cost to match their efficiency.

Penals being dedicated AI unit should not mean they should just 1v1 any other squad in the game, that's just stupid. They should win under the right circumstances. Which are not: charging into a JLI squad across open ground from max range. Penals win against JLI below range 10 and they should use shot blockers or distractions to approach without getting picked off by the long range squad.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 13:27 PMSander93

Jesus man, you are so missing the point it's not even funny anymore.

I suppose you'd also expect SMG Paratroopers to charge LMG Obersoldaten across negative cover and win because Paras are "supposed to be better AI"? The game has relative positioning and unit strengths and weaknesses for a purpose.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 08:52 AMBaba

last time ive seen a mortar bit barraging across the map was.. wait i havent.
The mortar pit is fine. i mean it makes up for brits inability of indirekt firing outside from doctrines and adds much needed utility with smoke.

the bofors on the other hand.. GOD DAMNIT RELIC

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 16:13 PMDonnieChan

no, you are wrong

since the nerf you re just more lucky to get it early in more cases than before.

but if you get a competent cheese player who abuses the fortify stuff and autorepair stuff and secures flanks properly, it regularly gets 30-40 kills, depending on map. 30-40 kills you HAVEN'T DONE A GARDENING CLICK FOR. and nobody uses smoke with it

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 08:48 AMDonnieChan

then be consistent and remove the gardening mortar pit as well

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 04:25 AMgbem

King tiger in the profile pic?... check... first post?... check... no playercard visible? Check... claims allies OP? Check

Probability of wehraboo identification 80%

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 22:02 PMHighfiveeeee

This commander frustrated me so much that I uninstalled this game again :-(

Game feels completely stale at the moment on "middle" ranks (around 200 - 500). Each of my last 20 games was against OKW (I think 1 Wehr was part, but still) and everyone of them (besides a level > 1000 dude) used Overwatch.

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2019, 21:56 PMPremium_Hacker

>calls someone wheraboo cause they like German tanks
>first post is not relevant
>says I have no playercard, yet he doesn't have one either
>hypocrite
>Bet he thinks JLI are op
>Probability of allied fanboy identification 100%
>

Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2019, 00:20 AMblvckdream

Can´t really blame them. People use whatever is OP in order to win because winning is fun. And it´s not just Jäger Light abuse, it´s also Shock grenade spam, Ass Engie + Pathfinder spam etc. It´s just that Jäger Lights are a fair bit better than everything else. Thank god it´s only a matter of time until this gets fixed.

Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2019, 01:09 AMgbem

I do have a playercard you wehraboo check below the name...