can we now fix soviet T2 please?

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:04 AMgbem

vs wehr
cons maxim cons cons mortar or cons cons cons maxim mortar depending on the map...

vs OKW
cons maxim maxim cons cons... ive tried a 4x cons build vs okw... doesnt work as volks just beat them shitless...

for starters they get a free panzerfaust while conscripts have to opt for an expensive AT nade upgrade...

they have better accuracy in cover and can build trenches bunkers and sandbags whereas conscripts can only build sandbags...

lastly ostruppen are paired with the best MG ingame the best sniper ingame and the best AT gun ingame... meanwhile conscripts are paired with the worst MG ingame a moderately good sniper and a low DPM at gun which has a 35 muni barrage ability...

the worst MG ingame

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:04 AMgbem

vs wehr
cons maxim cons cons mortar or cons cons cons maxim mortar depending on the map...

vs OKW
cons maxim maxim cons cons... ive tried a 4x cons build vs okw... doesnt work as volks just beat them shitless...

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:10 AMd0ggY

vs Wehr : Cons Cons Cons Cons .. then whatever you feel like you need.

This gives you advantage of capping power and you are able to flank, mostly i get molotovs between conscript 3 and 4. Then you just pressure him, you always have the advantage of having higher numbers. Got to play it aggresive.

vs Okw : Maxim Maxim Maxim... Maxim or Zis.

Conscripts vs okw i get very very rarely. Maybe on maps where i need some more capping power.

The Thing is, with your maxims you want to play a little bit of like a flanking infantry unit, and then cover the maxim with another maxim, which is covered by another maxim. You don't want to spread out that much.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:12 AMRollingStone

Not free, you still need to build the barracks in order to fire fausts - 10 fuel, 200 mp

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:12 AMRollingStone

Garrison cover is worse, than green cover, IIRC and molotovs dont give a crap about what cover it is.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:12 AMRollingStone

Do you ever heard about 120-mm mortar? Or any kind of mortar?
If you encounter well-defended area, then bombard the hell outta it, dont just chardge into it. Flares and "ourah" will help you to force them out.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:12 AMRollingStone

Finally vikkers getting some love, i see

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:15 AMKatitof

Unless you're always going for ppsh, both of these are HORRIBLE openings.
Thing with maxims is, they do NOT work as solitary HMG, they just don't, treat them like crippled, glue eating LMG squad, not HMG suppression platform, you need to keep them in pairs, protecting each other.
If you really want to go maxims, 4 is minimum and you sgould only use 1 to 0 cons, adding 2 Guards asap.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:31 AMgbem

yeah... thats why maxims and cons are in dire need of buffs but some people dont seem to get it... the fact that sov T1 or sov T2 with PPSH is the only meta in GCS that regularly achieved wins is a good highlight to the deficiency of T2... stock cons and maxims are simply uncompetitive..

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:01 AMKatitof

You can count on osttruppen, no really, you can!

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:12 AMRollingStone

Not free, you still need to build the barracks in order to fire fausts - 10 fuel, 200 mp

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 10:18 AMSpanky

I am a t2 player myself, 1v1 or 2v2 and from my experience, maxims work great if you have the ability and knowledge to predict your opponents moves. Experienced players are just better at predicting, so they can win the first engagements and gain map control and this comes from years of practice.

Edit: what I'm trying to say, is that t2 is fine. It used to be over the top.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:45 AMd0ggY

Vonasten played 4 Cons into t2 pretty much every game of GCS and won vs very strong opponents like Noggano for example with that strategy

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 11:22 AMEsxile

Then if your opponent has the same ability than you, what do you do?

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 11:45 AMSpanky

That's the point of the game, always find ways to outsmart your opponent. Then you do exactly what you are capable of.

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 09:01 AMgbem

ostruppen have plenty of defensive utilities... for starters they get a free panzerfaust while conscripts have to opt for an expensive AT nade upgrade... they have better accuracy in cover and can build trenches bunkers and sandbags whereas conscripts can only build sandbags... the molotov sucks compared to the OKW incendiary nade and is locked behind another tech upgrade which further delays the T-70... on top of that ostruppen can improve their lategame firepower with the LMG42... quite literally the only real advantages i see with the conscripts is the mine merge and oraah... this does not make the conscript worth 240mp...

lastly ostruppen are paired with the best MG ingame the best sniper ingame and the best AT gun ingame... meanwhile conscripts are paired with the worst MG ingame a moderately good sniper and a low DPM at gun which has a 35 muni barrage ability...

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 12:03 PMWiderstreit

1. Osttruppen don't get a free faust. You have to useless tech T1 for a early one (you need versus clown-car)

Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2018, 12:22 PMVan Der Bolt

As OST u need tier 1 to have fausts, but if u don't have tier 1, you don't have grens to fire fausts, so it's incorrect to count 80 MP and 10 FU as a price for faust. This is not a side tech, u build a base to get grens and voila! - grens automatically have fausts.