Flame Halftrack

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 17:31 PMVipper

251

-Veterancy gain when upgraded with flamethrowers reduced by 50%

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 17:37 PMCresc

You think this makes any difference whatsoever on how it impacts the pace?

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 17:37 PMCresc

You think this makes any difference whatsoever on how it impacts the pace?

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 18:01 PMSander93

With the unit itself I don't see how it's any worse than the T-70 in terms of ridiculous wiping potential. It could do with an adjustment to higher DOT but less direct damage (so same damage against fighting infantry but less wipey on retreats) but nothing more.


IMO the biggest reason of the success of the 251 is that usually Soviets refuse to build T2 in response/anticipation of it and instead always want to stick to Penals and Guards PTRS softcounter just to rush the T-70. Which doesn't end well a lot of the time. It's exactly the same when Ostheer refuses to hardcounter (i.e. Puma) the T-70 and stall for medium armor instead. It's a risk and sometimes it doesn't pay off.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 18:01 PMSander93

IMO the biggest reason of the success of the 251 is that usually Soviets refuse to build T2 in response/anticipation of it and instead always want to stick to Penals and Guards PTRS softcounter just to rush the T-70. Which doesn't end well a lot of the time. It's exactly the same when Ostheer refuses to hardcounter (i.e. Puma) the T-70 and stall for medium armor instead. It's a risk and sometimes it doesn't pay off.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 18:30 PMIncendiaryRounds

What a hilarious post. The FT halftrack has been nerfed a total of 4 times already. It's the only thing keep Ost alive vs penal hordes which are often backed up by guardsmen. How many more nerfs do you need?

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 18:01 PMSander93

It stops the 251 from becoming a go-kart after a handful of kills.

With the unit itself I don't see how it's any worse than the T-70 in terms of ridiculous wiping potential. It could do with an adjustment to higher DOT but less direct damage (so same damage against fighting infantry but less wipey on retreats) but nothing more.


IMO the biggest reason of the success of the 251 is that usually Soviets refuse to build T2 in response/anticipation of it and instead always want to stick to Penals and Guards PTRS softcounter just to rush the T-70. Which doesn't end well a lot of the time. It's exactly the same when Ostheer refuses to hardcounter (i.e. Puma) the T-70 and stall for medium armor instead. It's a risk and sometimes it doesn't pay off.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 17:15 PMCresc

The recent balance patch focused too much on tweaking 2v2 play and dismissed this game breaking unit that has spreading nightmare and discord all over 1v1.

Can we please fix this overperforming vehicle at least quicker than the fanboys can whine about it being overnerfed?

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 18:30 PMIncendiaryRounds

The FT halftrack has been nerfed a total of 4 times already.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 22:10 PMThamor

Yes after brumbar time to nerf another vehicle off OST choices.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 22:18 PMSkysTheLimit

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What does that even mean? Some of the "nerfs" were accompanied by buffs.

The only hilarious thing here is you defending an obviously broken unit on Ostheer's roster. Who saw that coming...



The brumbarr had very recently gotten overbuffed, it's not like it came out of nowhere.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 22:42 PMIncendiaryRounds

Flame HT hasn't been buffed in years.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 23:36 PMSkysTheLimit

Then what 4 nerfs are you referring too? Some of those would've been years ago too genius

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 23:42 PMIncendiaryRounds

120to 90 munis to nerf the performance, 2nd nerf would be another nerf to garrison dmg, I forgot the 3rd nerf, something to do with armor last nerf is vet gain.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 23:47 PMKatitof

So, since the cost of upgrade got lowered AND performance was lowered, the overall cost effectiveness remained the same, therefore it was not a nerf, but a plain adjustment. It would be a nerf if cost remained at 120.

And are you insane to even mention garrison dmg nerf?
Are you so far detached from reality that you thought FHT killing everything in the building within HALF of the burst was fine and balanced?

And no, its armor was never lowered, its vet is mobility only and you aren't really supposed to be at vet3 after single engagement, so that's well warranted one as well.

On the other hand, it got buffed by having a shared vet as well without the upgrade.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2018, 00:22 AMIncendiaryRounds

High risk, high reward. The vet buff only applies if the HT is not upgraded. We're talking about the flame HT. Just like how the T70 got its lethality nerfed. So if the flamer HT is getting another nerf, T70 should too.