Overnerfed Brummbar. Why am I not surprised?

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 08:33 AMIncendiaryRounds

Like making the projectile speed faster.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 09:09 AMElSlayer

Being effective against moving targets is not intended for Brummbar.
Faster projectile speed in conjuntion with attack ground would make it OP against infantry. It is hard to execute, but doable with practice.

At this point you're not trying to address some particular problem that you perceive to exist with this unit, you just shamelessly asking JUST FOR ANY BUFF for a unit you like and get used to use in one of your strategies.

This is not for the good of the game and I'm starting to doubt that you had good (not blatanly selfish) intentions even in the beginning of this discussion.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 10:42 AMDonnieChan

i never had problems with the brummbär. allied airstrikes, mark target and tank destroyers make it more than counterable. your 6 men guard squads and 5 men tommy squads don't die anyway from 1 shot frm it. sherman vs grenadier is a much more bitter case in that regard. you still have to micro manage ost in a much more intensive way than brits and soviets with all those angles, flanks and mines...

this game has much more serious issues: the uselessness of püppchen, the 120 mm mortar etc.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 17:12 PMCresc

You never did have a problem with brumbar because you're the abusing using it so stop lying, the playercard speaks for itself

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 03:51 AMmurky depths

What is the difference between "bleeding" infantry and "countering" infantry?

It seems that they are both examples of A can beat B without losing to it.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 19:32 PMinsaneHoshi

Also I would argue that for a unit to be a counter, a unit should be somewhat cheaper than the unit it is countering.

Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2018, 22:32 PMTheGentlemenTroll

It could drive up bounce a fuck ton of shit thats suppose to counter it then oneshot squads. Only a completly bias moron would claim the Brummbar didn't need a nerf.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 19:49 PMButcher

The Brummbär is supposed to counter infantry and weapon crews. By the time it arrives even an opponent that has been outplayed should have access to Cromwells, T-34s, Shermans at the very least.

The unit arrives when there are mutliple options to counter it.

If you can't stand the Brummbär standing up to unsupported AT guns I assume you are for an ISU-152 and Croc nerf aswell.

Nerfing the range and survivability is just another nail in the coffin that is Ost lategame. But every crutch unit that somewhat kept Ost in the game is nerfed.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 19:47 PMdistrofio

It depends on the type of clash you face between the countered unid and its counter. If you loose both, the counter should be cheaper, or at least same cost but reliable.
If you dont loose the counter unit, there is no need for it to be cheaper, E.g. Mg counters most infantry squads inside their firing arc. You dont loose your mg and thats why its fine for them to cost as much as any other inf squad. On the other side, allied TD figting super heavys are cheaper than the latter but they get hit too, and have a risk to being defeated by the units they counter, hence their cost.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 08:21 AMIncendiaryRounds

Solid evidence that the decision makers are Ostheer haters...

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 23:46 PMJae For Jett

I don't think you understand what the words "solid," and "evidence" mean. Sorry if it's a matter of English not being your native language or something of that sort (honestly, I tend to forget that not everyone's native language is English), but you probably shouldn't throw around those words if you don't know what they mean. In context, those words end up being very accusatory, and using them incorrectly is just going to make people not take you seriously.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2018, 00:11 AMIncendiaryRounds

Again u have nothing to add to the thread. Why are u even here? Accusations fly all the time.

Jump back to quoted post3 Dec 2018, 23:46 PMJae For Jett

(honestly, I tend to forget that not everyone's native language is English),

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2018, 06:59 AMullumulu

The funny thing is: they let it be by the same cost, while nerfing this unit in some seriuos way. Brummbar wasnt outstandig OP ..it was very good in good hands. It doesnt much better than a HE sherman while expansiver...and dont forget that the new Bulldozer will HAVE THE SAME Stats like the OLD brummbar...while have a turrent, can make green cover, smoke, etc...

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2018, 09:19 AMKatitof

You are the ONLY player in game who says it wasn't outstanding OP.
Everyone else, including ost mains agreed universally it was.
It was very good in good hands, it was very good in bad hands, it was no brainer noob proof unit, as long as your micro was intense enough to use a-move around infantry, you have won.
Its vet1 was pinpoint accurate barrage that annihilated ATGs without any effort.
It IS much better then HE sherman as its AoE is much larger and its damage falloff is much lower.
Comparisons to dozer are pointless, dozer isn't as good and dozer is in bad doctrine that no one ever uses.