USF Tech Changes Mod Changelog

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 02:00 AMZombiFrancis

True, although I cannot help but recall that the whole reason Ostheer has a t0 MG42 was because of the effect of officers hitting the field.

A minute sooner is not insignificant for establishing early game field presence. That and a 150mp captain squad by 60 fuel may revisit that initial pacing issue between USF and Ostheer. Time and testing will tell.

I feel like a 50 fuel captain with ATG/Pak Howie and a 'side-tech' for the Stuart, not AAHT, may work. At 20 fuel it would not change the pacing of the Stuart while allowing ATGs and Pak Howies a sooner field presence.

The LT could keep these proposed changes, but the 0.5 tech could unlock the AAHT and the M20. The proposed changes for the M20 are necessary for that unit regardless of teching adjustments.

This would grant faster officers, as is apparently so desired, and a cheaper way to go both LT and Captain without affecting the pacing of Major tier or any vehicle. The cost difference for both LT and Captain without any half-step teching would be 10 more fuel.

Which is already shaved off the cost of grenades.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 11:40 AMKatitof

Could you guys maybe change PACK howi already?
T0 mortar makes it irrelevant, so does T3 scott.

Could you just remove auto fire, increase barrage shells to 5-7 and make it into a proper USF mobile arty this way?
Obviously, barrage performance would be as it is now, just remove auto attack and add some more shells so its worth considering the unit, adjust cost if needed.

It would finally provide USF a cooldown only, non doctrinal barrage weapon that all the other factions have that wouldn't be awkward major arty.

PACK howi atm is not needed and irrelevant, 2 more cost efficient units make it irrelevant and it doesn't serve any unique role in USF army.

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Nope
Pack Howie is much better than the mortar at killing and doesnt spend most of its existence repositioning and retreating, unlike the mortar (due to its range makin it a direct fire unit)
It also doesnt burn 75 fuel, delaying an already late-ish arriving armor quite significantly
But then again, the proposed redesign might make it even more interesting


Also completely agree with the unqouted lower half of your post and I dont bloody understand how does anyone think that this is ruining uniqnes.
There is no other faction whos teching system works like this.

What I suggest is a 3rd upgrade, medics, be added to the USF HQ to allow for an alternative base only healing option.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 12:16 PMLago

My favourite solution is to add a Major-style lockdown ability to the medic squad that creates a little healing station with the Ambulance's AoE aura. Restrict the ability to the base sector if need be.

That lets you decrew your Ambulance to get a more durable but less mobile healing station, and recrew your Ambulance with Rear Echelons to get a mobile one for use on the field.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 12:08 PMadamírcz

Nope
Pack Howie is much better than the mortar at killing and doesnt spend most of its existence repositioning and retreating, unlike the mortar (due to its range makin it a direct fire unit)
It also doesnt burn 75 fuel, delaying an already late-ish arriving armor quite significantly
But then again, the proposed redesign might make it even more interesting


Also completely agree with the unqouted lower half of your post and I dont bloody understand how does anyone think that this is ruining uniqnes.
There is no other faction whos teching system works like this.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 11:40 AMKatitof

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Each faction used to be balanced like that.
It was unbalanced, because it can't be balanced when different factions have different strengths at different game stages and these "unique strengths" are impossible to be made all game lasting (how is USF strong early infantry presence going to transfer into late game? Why should Ost have armor advantage, letting them close the game against USF just by outlasting them? etc.)

If redesign is needed to keep the game AND ALL the factions relevant, then so be it.

The redesigns happen, because what we had previously DID NOT WORKED.
I'd rather have redesigned and balanced game, then do your beloved "stick to old, irrelevant, proven in action not working design".

Stop clinging to old, obviously broken and not working solutions.

I for one welcome very much this new USF half tier structure, it worked perfectly well for PE in CoH1, it allowed for varied build orders and its flexible enough to adjust unit timings or combinations easily and most importantly, its unique in CoH2 as closest to that tech is what UKF has and UKF still is unique enough with powerful but exclusive options.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 01:09 AMJae For Jett

At the same time though, paratroopers and pathfinders become more attractive. You usually dont have room for them because youre forced to get so many infantry squads. With the officer potentially arriving as the 3rd purchased unit, paratrooper builds might be less awkward.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 08:49 AMadamírcz

Dream is comin true
Finally a USF where u make other decisions than just which rifle squad should u put the BAR on.

Lets admit it, the AA HT and Pack Howie half tech are blatantly a better option than an M20 and Stuart, but other than that, its gonna make than faction way more interesting.

Well the Stuart now has potential to be a decent unit since it finally has a nondoc suppression platform so USF wont be swamped by infantry going Capt tier anymore its also cheaper and comes out earlier now. I agree the AA HT Pack Howie might be a bit strong but also the m20 did get buffs and got a pretty big manpower cost buff so it might start coming back.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 12:24 PMKatitof

Mortar range: 80
Pack howi auto attack range: 80(or is it still 60?)

Barrage range: 160

So auto attack part is irrelevant and hindering to the unit already.

Rework like that would give USF very exposed due to being inf only "katy" type unit.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 12:46 PMTheGentlemenTroll

That's definitely true, but wouldn't rangers be more ideal? They come in a better doctrine and are just as good as para except for more open maps where the 30 cal paras do better. I'll probably still use Airborne after but having two less relevant abilities hurts the doctrine.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 12:02 PMTiger Baron

While not part of the overall tech problem I also wanted to take the time to mention of the issue of the USF healing.

Currently the Ambulance is mostly used around the base, and I have seen in a lot of games and read a lot of cases where the enemy swoops in with a fast light vehicle and just kills the Ambulance in a few shots and then retreats, effectively denying the USF player healing.

What I suggest is a 3rd upgrade, medics, be added to the USF HQ to allow for an alternative base only healing option.

Now a lot of people will jump on it saying that it's making it similar to the Soviets but I see no other option, nobody else's healing is so fragile and limited as with the USF's and everybody has an alternative, maybe besides the Soviets, at least non-doctrinally.

Edit:

While yes you could just decrew your medics it's still a problem to constantly micro them to heal.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 16:03 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

This looks good.
I'm excited to see this go live.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 16:20 PMJae For Jett

Then the numbers must be WAY too good #USFOP

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 13:34 PMSturmpanther

What nobody said yet is:
Mortar : 6 popcap
pakhowie 9 popcap

And that as when 3 models are death from pakhowie, the other 3 are death as well and it is decrewed.

Jump back to quoted post17 Nov 2018, 13:23 PMJae For Jett

The pack howie has the same auto range, one more effective model, much longer barrage range, better aoe, and better vet. Yes, its a better mortar that cannot retreat, and everyone who has used both would take the pack howie over the mortar.