Bren Carrier and Soviet M3A1 Outright OP Early Game

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 15:32 PMTiger Baron

Give Soviets the Bren carrier since it was given to them in larger quantities anyhow.

Move M3A1 to USF.

Problem solved.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 15:57 PMIncendiaryRounds

Awful idea. That would make USF over the top. There's mech doctrine for a reason. And if you're removing the carrier from UKF, UKF would be useless against mgs.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 16:07 PMTiger Baron

WC51 becomes a stock unit, can be upgraded to a .50 cal, Ambulance or Weapons Carrier able to deploy on the field with weapon racks, solves a design flaw of the USF.

M3A1 replaces it in Mech Company along with the M3 HT.

And I never said remove the UC from the UKF.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 16:13 PMIncendiaryRounds

And why does USF deserve a 0min light vehicle? Brits have one because no mobile mortar. SU have to lock themselves in spec rifle building.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 16:13 PMIncendiaryRounds

And why does USF deserve a 0min light vehicle? Brits have one because no mobile mortar. SU have to lock themselves in spec rifle building.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 17:35 PMTiger Baron

It can be locked behind the weapon rack unlock to balance it out, it's just your own assumption to be a 0m light vehicle, I only said for it to become a stock unit.

And I don't think the UC can provide smoke or survive after the mid game so it doesn't replace a mobile mortar, it's just a micro intensive anti-garrison tool because the Brits otherwise lack one non-doctrinally.

The Soviets on the other hand are the best and most popular Allied Army right now as the stats prove from the recent GSC2 tournament.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 17:23 PMShadowLinkX37

Idk about OP, I think that's up for discussion, but the concept that you can build a unit at minute 0 i.e. kubel, WC51, m3a1 and not suffer bleed because they use repairs instead of manpower is a....... dangerous concept to say the least. Although I'd say it is most definatly more map dependant how powerful those units are.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 15:18 PMthekingsown10

Both the bren carrier and soviet M3A1 over perform in the early game . Wehr simply has no answer to it unless the opponent is stupid enough to get too close to your Grenadiers which rarely ever happens and it still won't outright kill them.


To make matters even worse and this is when the units start to go from over performing to outright op is the no brainer flame upgrade or flame engineer for the M3A1. Both these *upgrades* happen before Wehr can even rush to T2 to counter it.

I would like to see a delay for these units as the ridiculous timing is way off and needs changing.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 17:23 PMShadowLinkX37

Idk about OP, I think that's up for discussion, but the concept that you can build a unit at minute 0 i.e. kubel, WC51, m3a1 and not suffer bleed because they use repairs instead of manpower is a....... dangerous concept to say the least. Although I'd say it is most definatly more map dependant how powerful those units are.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 07:56 AMSander93

I think the Kubel and WC51 are properly balanced as T0/T1 vehicles as they allow to trade repairs against bleed but only at the price of being vulnerable to concentrated small arms fire themselves. What I dislike about the UC is how it can literally stand up to several (Volks)grenadier squads in heavy cover and win, and the Scout Car can generally do the same. For OKW there's no counterplay except building a Raketten or waiting for fausts and hope the enemy gets too greedy. I think concentrated small arms fire should do more damage to these vehicles.