Do volks need some nerf? If so, how?

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 13:10 PMullumulu

do u mean the 10 games would have a relvant statistik impact? maybe the player was better trained with other factions? maybe there was no luck from RNG on their side??

you can loose 10games...but the next 90 games u win. When you stop count after the first 10 games..yeah...you are rigth..the need buffs. but if u would look on a relevanz game number,..you would see: they are ok.

but ..maybe u troll around like every post.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 12:50 PMVipper

I clearly said if ostheer prove to be superior after the revamp patch and that faction should meet halfway. The reason I am saying that is that units have been buffed continuously and soon there will be little time for superior tactics to have a real affect on fights.

The benchmark need to be 1 faction not three, it becomes way too complicated if ones attempts to use more than 1 faction as the benchmark. Ostheer used to be benchmark and it makes sense to become the benchmark once more, in addition they are the best design faction that requires the use of different units.

If I had to touch the Ostheer I would start with better redesign of commanders, by removing OP combinations of abilities.

But that is all my personal opinion.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 13:19 PMKatitof

So..... ost is a benchmark.
Soviets and OKW line up to it as proven during CGS2.
USF and UKF are below by a wide margin as proven during CGS2.

And your solution is to nerf 3 in line and balance factions instead of fix 2, which are lacking in obvious places?

Where is a logic in that?

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 13:19 PMKatitof

So..... ost is a benchmark.
Soviets and OKW line up to it as proven during CGS2.
USF and UKF are below by a wide margin as proven during CGS2.

And your solution is to nerf 3 in line and balanced factions instead of fixing 2, which are lacking in obvious places?

Where is a logic in that?

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 13:50 PMullumulu

Maybe the brits player should pick the right commander: Commando Regiment

which had a winchange from 50%!

so its totally ok to lose, when u pick not the meta commander.

deal with it.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 13:50 PMullumulu

Maybe the brits player should pick the right commander: Commando Regiment

which had a winchange from 50%!

so its totally ok to lose, when u pick not the meta commander.

deal with it.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 11:22 AMgbem

the best solution is simply to buff riflemen and IS and retain the fairly good balance between OST OKW and SOV by not nerfing any of their core units...

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 09:11 AMullumulu

all games i watched showed one thing:

not one faction rolfstomp the other in the ground so we could say its OP.
mostly games took a while to win..there was no game where you could see: the player makes no failure ...but had no chance to win.

the most wins was based on failes trough the game...false decisions and less micro.

there is no way a match where we could see that one faction has so much needs of a buff or a nerf.

proof me wrong!

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 13:58 PMVipper

Read more carefully the logic is explained in my post already. My suggestion was not nerf the 3 faction pls do not put words in my mouth.

Ostheer was the benchmark, no faction appears to be the benchmark anymore since unit seem to balanced around other unit across the factions.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 21:14 PMTheGentlemenTroll

Would Sov be the allied benchmark then since both OKW and OST have around a 50% winrate?

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 21:14 PMTheGentlemenTroll

Also I feel like if you fix Mobile Defense (which is happening next patch right?) OST will be very balanced.

Similarly I find SOV and OKW balanced well enough to not need sweeping adjustments. UKF and USF have issues hopefully fixed soon/eventually.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 23:34 PMVipper

It is far simpler to use one benchmark and not two. First one decides how strong Ostheer (as an example) need to be. Then one balances all allied faction vs Ostheer. Finally one balance OKW vs all allied factions.


I will bring 2 as an example there others:
Jaeger Armor Doctrine
Combining Reconnaissance Overflight/Stuka Bombing Strike/Elefant Tank Destroyer. This combination should not be allowed.

Lightning War Doctrine
Combining Jaeger Light Infantry/Stuka Close Air Support/Tiger Tank This combination should not be allowed.

Jump back to quoted post1 Oct 2018, 19:53 PMKatitof

If you advocate picking a commander to counter a stock unit, you reinforce one of the two points - either non doctrinal unit in question is overpowered to the point where doctrine is needed to stand up to it, or units/faction it goes against is underpowered and require buffs.

Regardless of which way you pick, you are underminig your own argument, while reinforcing argument that certain factions are underpowered against OKW or volks are just op.

Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2018, 05:33 AMzerocoh

Volks do need a rebalance on their vet. At vet 3 they are at peak performance, and it is not hard to vet it.

also, volks get too much free shit. Sandbags, Flame nade, infiltration, bunkers, s-mines, faust + weapon upgrade that is straight up better in all situations.

volks on their own are pretty shit, but they get all kinds of support, meanwhile rifles have to do everything by themselves, and are MUCH more expensive.

Edit: forgot to say that they get so much great synergy with commanders abilities like for the fatherland and valiant assault. No other factions have this.