Rear Echeleons need reworking.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 13:26 PMVipper

If you play the game and you do not make personal comment (and have not seen any evidence to the contrary) no it does not involve you.

If volley fire is moved to vet 1 than it can be buffed.


Yes of course.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 13:34 PMmondeogaming1

Yes i do have the game and i have one question if it movees to vet 1 do you think the suppression will be buffed from double or even one bar(s) and m1919?

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2018, 22:22 PMinsaneHoshi

At release volley fire was incredibly broken. On June 23rd when OKW and USF were released and barely 10 days later they put out a patch fixing it. In their own words "Volley Fire was another big issue that we wanted address; the design intention of this ability was to be used as a support ability to give rear echelon combat utility. However what we ended up seeing were rear echelons winning engagement that shouldn’t have won. There was also an exploit with the modifers that were applied when rear echelons equipped with bazookas would fire bazooka shells rapidly."

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 13:57 PMVipper

Not sure if I understand the question correctly but currently the ability has the following effects (according to the guide):

+40% received accuracy, -50% accuracy, +1% suppression, squad moves extra slowly

After 5 seconds of being active: +1% additional suppression, +3% additional accuracy

After 10 seconds of being active: (if the squad is still alive) +3% additional suppression, +4% additional accuracy, -87.5% cool-down

Since one has to actually hit to apply suppression and BAR/Lmg19191 tend to hit more they add more suppression and thus make the ability better, regardless at what vet the ability becomes available.

My point was that by delaying the ability and moving to vet 1 one could buff it with a lower risk of it becoming problematic.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 17:29 PMZombiFrancis

Swap out Assault Engineers for Rear Echelons as call-in units.

Make REs 5 man squads that come with a free minesweeper. One could even try giving this version the slot item rifle grenade upgrade that miragefla tinkered with. Or adjust minelaying capabilities around too. Potentially worth allowing them to salvage wrecks, even.

A call-in minesweeper has a very specific utility that can support a player at virtually any stage in the game.

Just offering some ideas that's not making them a rifle squad variant.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 13:57 PMVipper

Not sure if I understand the question correctly but currently the ability has the following effects (according to the guide):

+40% received accuracy, -50% accuracy, +1% suppression, squad moves extra slowly

After 5 seconds of being active: +1% additional suppression, +3% additional accuracy

After 10 seconds of being active: (if the squad is still alive) +3% additional suppression, +4% additional accuracy, -87.5% cool-down

Since one has to actually hit to apply suppression and BAR/Lmg19191 tend to hit more they add more suppression and thus make the ability better, regardless at what vet the ability becomes available.

My point was that by delaying the ability and moving to vet 1 one could buff it with a lower risk of it becoming problematic.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 19:38 PMJae For Jett

Pretty sure you don't have to hit to apply suppression. The reason why BARs and 1919s suppress much better is because this suppression is per shot (according to my understanding) and these weapons simply fire more bullets.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 19:41 PMelchino7

Not sure if RE volley fire works differently, but hits are accounted for when you need to suppress other squads besides the target you are firing at. It might also apply to the squad itself as well.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 19:38 PMJae For Jett

Pretty sure you don't have to hit to apply suppression. The reason why BARs and 1919s suppress much better is because this suppression is per shot (according to my understanding) and these weapons simply fire more bullets.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 15:15 PMIncendiaryRounds

Be grateful that RE even have the suppression ability. They just got mines. They already have unique abilities like tank traps and free nades from fighting positions. Plus RE and sappers are the only 200ish mp units able to double equip and still carry sweepers while EFA can't even get a sweeper after getting a single flamer. Fucking great, aren't they. Don't know how someone can still ask for more.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 17:57 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Should I really be glad I have the Luxury of paying Munitions to get my men killed faster?