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Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 09:59 AMVipper

It is a doctrinal AT vs light tanks. I suggest you calculate its chance to penetrate a Ostheer PzIV and check its penetration compared to of the 75mm PzIV has.

Then keep in mind that it cost 200 manpower.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 11:24 AMKirrik

Here is another solution for M42 - bundle it along with something else. Like PTRS Conscript squad callin or DShK.
Or you can give it Soviet version of Withdraw and Refit where you can simply sell this thing off after it's done it's job or replace it with ZiS after paying addinional MP

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 11:31 AMKatitof

Which performs worse then non doctrinal one against these lights, because burst is all that matters if you want to kill armor, unless you get two, in which case you are massively taxed in pop cap and upkeep for inferior unit.

You don't need to be terrified of M-42 so much, no one will be ever getting it unless it'll be able to contest a P4 and to justify popcap and inferiority of a pair of them to single ZiS, it needs to go up against P4.

M-42 even with current buffs is not even worth being a panic button over penal PTRS.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 11:38 AMkitekaze

I like the idea of bundling it with PTRS Conscript, although that won't make M42 case any better.
M42 should have the ability like "Snipe Unit" and "Break tread" like CoH1's AT Halftrack. That will immediately give it a place in this game.

In addition to your idea of new Soviet ability, the Soviet still have the ability "Soviet War Machine" in Campaign map 3 that has not been used in MP.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 11:50 AMKatitof

What other stats? Rate of fire?
There is no other stat, its either pen or RoF and it already shoots pretty fast.
There isn't much to do here, unless you want to give it AI ability instead of pen boost.

We don't need another PTRS.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 01:05 AMVipper

Then simply test the unit before you complain that it is penetrate by "anything above mauser"...

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 15:52 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

I don't remember any patch note where it got it's armor buffed, which means Paks, Raketens and the like will still penetrate it almost all the time, Sherman armor can only bounce up to PZ4 rounds.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 06:25 AMkanon

It could be a good idea removing that little at gun (there is really no point getting that thing, unless you are doing very very bad and you need a fast AT out to counter 222s or flame HT xD).
I'd suggest to replace that with a kv2 or a is2, i would say kv2 since there is only 1 commander with it.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 15:56 PMVipper

As far as remember the PzIV does not have a "Mauser" but a 75mm gun.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 16:58 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

I guess a bit of humour, unless it's exaggerating how "strong" Brits or USF are, isn't your forte.
My point there was that the Bulldozer Sherman is still weak durability wise, because most German AT options have a very easy time penetrating it, specially ATGs unlike the StuPa that can wipe them frontally unless they are the almight 6 man ATGs from the Soviets. Getting a DR buff at Vet2 won't do much, unless you level up a crew and swap them, so it has it the moment it hits the field.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2018, 20:11 PMTiger Baron

I tried out Mech Company some more and I got 4 points to make:

1. The WC51 really loses effectiveness as the match progresses but I still don't think it's worth to even withdraw it to get resources back, especially after you've upgraded it with the .50 cal.

It's 155mm barrage ability has a shorter range even than that of the Major, for whatever reason, and I found myself more often than not kamikatzing it in order to get a barrage off and I lost it 1-2 times out of 3.

What I suggest is giving it another upgrade, weapons carrier, allowing it to drop BARs and Bazookas or the other alternative, "locking" it down, like the Ambulance/Opel Blitz truck, deploying some mini weapon racks so your units can arm in the field, to give it more utility and use after the mid game passes.

Another thing I really liked that someone else mentioned was it capping without any upgrades.

2. Cav Rifles - I suggest making them 300 manpower but them coming with M3 Grease Guns by default and being able to upgrade with M1 Thompsons similar to the Rangers.

The idea is cutting down a bit on the manpower cost since as someone again already mentioned it, the commander is quiet manpower intensive.

3. The M3 Halftrack's med kit drop ability is somehow bugged, for me it wouldn't deploy the med bags anywhere else other than directly under it for some reason, which was a problem since I had to move it each time in order to grab them, I don't remember it doing this before, not sure if the range of the ability was reduced or something.

4. I suppose that replacing the Reserve Armor with the M10 would probably be an option provided that Cav Rifles become a solely AI unit, the M10 will provide them with the needed AT, especially if Combined Arms is made a passive for Cav Rifles, then a slot would be freed up for something else.

I really thought about it and shuffling around the tank call-ins for the USF would make some sense provided that they fit in with the commander and are balanced.

Currently the 76mm Sherman is overperforming due to Combined Arms.

Vipper makes the point that Armor provides both strong AI and AT options with the 105mm Sherman and M10 in Armor.

Another person suggested replacing the E8 in Rifle Company with the 105 Sherman.

I would go a step further and giving Armor the M26 Pershing if the M10 and 105 Sherman are moved to other commanders.

What I imagine is this:

Rifle Company - 105mm Sherman instead of E8. The 105 Sherman is an infantry support tank and would provide the Rifles with cover with their barricades.

Mech Company - M10s instead of Reserve Armor. Would provide Cav Rifles with the needed AT support if they become a dedicated AI unit, especially with Combined Arms (active or passive).

Armor Company - M26 Pershing instead of M10 Sherman and Reserve Armor instead of 105 Sherman, the commander would retain access to bulldozers.

Heavy Cav - E8 instead of M26 Pershing, would help out with Combined Arms, having Rangers as well would probably be a problem tho.

Just for the record, this is a big IF scenario I thought of based on my own experience together with what I've read on here from other people.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 16:47 PMMrBananaGrabber.

Swapping the M42 with a KV2 sounds good. The KV2 fits the commander, using it to hold an area and protect a medic bunker/FHQ.
Or at the very least swapping the incendiary call-in with the KV2.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 17:44 PMKirrik

As far as I understand from twitch chat they either *can't* replace it or dont want to do it for some reason

And since Urban Defence/Defensive doctrines are lucky enough to get stuck with it means there are only 3 solutions for it

1 Making it a proper AT gun
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Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2018, 17:44 PMKirrik

As far as I understand from twitch chat they either *can't* replace it or dont want to do it for some reason

And since Urban Defence/Defensive doctrines are lucky enough to get stuck with it means there are only 3 solutions for it

1 Making it a proper AT gun
2 Making it AI gun
3 Put it in bundle with something useful

I'm pretty sceptic about N1 and N2