Feedback for Commander Revamppatch

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 15:57 PMMrBananaGrabber.

How about swapping the leFH from Overwatch with a panzerwerfer.

It could be incredibly OP if used to finish off retreating squads who have set off a booby trap, but it does mean they'd get some very useful mobile artillery that does really good scatter damage.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 10:52 AMKirrik

Stop acting like Vipper and avoid subject

Osttruppen have better scaling into late game than Cons as of now, they dont need anything else, especially HE nades for a defensive unit

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 12:56 PMKirrik

PTRS conscripts ? Worse version of Penals.

Jump back to quoted post27 Aug 2018, 22:04 PMAndy_RE

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Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 17:20 PMKirrik

Here is a fact: Osttruppen cost less than cons and have lower reinforcement costs while having a late game LMG upgrade.

I'm not avoiding anything you're just incapable of comprehending simple facts laid out in front of you.

They are supposed to "stick to damn cover". They are cheapest unit in game, what else do you want of them aside of capping points and stalling enemy infantry?

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 17:24 PMnigo

Thanks for raising my point.

Relic creativity > community patch members creativity

Nobody asked about Penals PRTS in the past (except some old pros who vanished the communnity already) and we got this.

Looks like we will get the same results after this commander revamp.


Ppl asked about a commander with Shocks Troops and T34-85 (Counter-attack tatics was a good example for a rework), but we are getting one more commander with shock troops.

GG




@Andy and Relic,

Stop outsourcing your own product.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 17:37 PMKirrik

TBH the whole Conscript PTRS thing goes even further

Conscript PTRS originally behaved similar to Guard PTRS, meaning Conscripts *ORIGINALLY* didnt trade their AI for AT, they just acted like British Boys AT rifle section - a unit that has both AT and AI, they also kept their Molotov.

I'm not sure who screwed that particular part up, but after rework Conscripts got their Guard-like PTRS replaced by worthless Penal PTRS, which is good only against light vehicles, then they got their molotov removed (Boys section has their grenade still in place)and then PTRS deflection damage was nerfed... as result this infantry upgrade that supposed to make Conscripts good at both AT and AI turned into a bad downgrade of Penal squad, which ultimately made this doctrine worse.

Ironic but I agree this kind of reworks need serious oversight by whatever remaining staff Relic has.

I can already see Overwatch doctrine being a disaster-tier OP with howitzer and flares at same time

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 17:46 PMIncendiaryRounds

They get lmg AFTER 20 MINS. And the lmg isn't even a gren lmg. And ostruppen are in less than a quarter of docs, while ppsh are in about a quarter of docs. Allied infantry upgrades can occur as early as 5mins. Lower reinforce costs are set off by inferior RA at all vet levels. Who's the person "incapable" of comprehending simple facts now?

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 17:48 PMKirrik

You are. You're still not comprehending my point, or entire point of Osttruppen. You want them to be something they are never meant to be - better conscripts.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 17:53 PMIncendiaryRounds

That's why they're lacklustre, because they're not "better" conscripts, they don't even match cons, in fact they're inferior. Why go for a doctrine if the doctrinal units don't provide any value? They aren't great early game and Ostruppen are the infantry that scale poorly as they drop like flies late game. Doctrinal units are supposed to be better than non-doc units in some way but when ostruppen have to be at MAX RANGE to win an engagement vs a unit only 40mp more, and the fact that u always need cover, it's not worth picking a doctrine for.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 17:57 PMKirrik

They dont match cons because they are cheaper than cons. Still arent getting it? Cons are worthless in late game and useful only to cap points and stall infantry. Thats exactly role of osttrupen. You use them to build trenches then you put them inside and stall while your support weapons shred enemy. They are not supposed to be "good" they are supposed to be cannon fodder to hold your opponent back away from support weapons.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 18:15 PMKirrik

This is pure offtopic already but its Soviets who have highest teching costs to their tanks. Thats excluding Molotovs and AT nade. And no, you cant compare Molotov with HE nade, they are made for different things.
Heck not even Grens get HE nades because they are meant to fight enemy at range and you want cannon fodder replacement of Grens to have one?

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 18:41 PMsherlock

Question for clarification:

The soviet booby trap and the and the okw (and now also ost) one are different. The OKW booby trap is non-doctrinal (obers), costs 50 munitions, causes 160 damage, its area of effect is 0.5-2-4 (near-far) and the damage multipliers are 1-0.4-0.2 (near-far).

With the new stats of the soviet booby trap (tied to a commander) it will not only outperform it in damage at any distance, its radius within which it can squad wipe is double that of the new booby trap. Are there any plans to adjust the okw(/ost) booby trap as well to bring it in line in terms of performance?
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Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 18:50 PMVipper

In the patch the Soviet ability is superior in micro since it does not need infantry to set it up but inferior in damage.

All booby traps abilities would be allot better designed if the explosion turned incendiary and the left DOT fire.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 18:41 PMsherlock

Question for clarification:

The soviet booby trap and the and the okw (and now also ost) one are different. The OKW booby trap is non-doctrinal (obers), costs 50 munitions, causes 160 damage, its area of effect is 0.5-2-4 (near-far) and the damage multipliers are 1-0.4-0.2 (near-far).

With the new stats of the soviet booby trap (tied to a commander) the okw equivalent will not only outperform it in damage at any distance, its radius within which it can squad wipe is double that of the new booby trap. Are there any plans to adjust the okw(/ost) booby trap as well to bring it in line in terms of performance?

Critique:

We had the precision shot for artillery in the game for soviets and it was a terrible design with the potential of just cheesy free squad wipes on capping squads. 50 range does little to mask the fact that this is a cheesy squad wipe ability trying to make its way back into the game.

For everything else, I need more games

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 18:56 PMsherlock

The micro argument is a red herring. The ability could be given to engineers.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2018, 18:56 PMsherlock

It's the instant kill radius that is pretty much the major culprit.