RIflemen, the most overrated unit in the game?
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20 Aug 2018, 03:28 AM
#1
Posts: 888
For a 280 MP unit and super expensive upgrades its surprising to see them getting melted by much cheaper units. What a horrible unit, I find it hilarious people act like USF has the best infantry in the game when its OKW by a mile.
20 Aug 2018, 05:14 AM
#2
Posts: 479
Rifles are strong against Grens early game but they struggle a bit against Volks. Tough to go for 4 squads of them due to their slightly higher reinforce cost. But I still think Riflemen are good once you get 2x Bars on them. I kind of wish they made 2x Bars weaker but cheaper since I feel like USF is always so munitions bled, kind of like Ostheer.
20 Aug 2018, 05:21 AM
#3
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honestly whatever rifles can do, conscripts can do at a much cheaper cost, only thing they scale better with bars.
20 Aug 2018, 05:34 AM
#4
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For a 280 MP unit and super expensive upgrades its surprising to see them getting melted by much cheaper units. What a horrible unit, I find it hilarious people act like USF has the best infantry in the game when its OKW by a mile.
They have their weaknesses early on, but they compensate for it with a great scale in late game, when they have double BARs or BAR/LMG combo. At this time, they really don't give a shit about Axis infantry. As the famous joke says, a German squad entered a BAR
Riflemen can be countered by Fallschirmjäger, but those are also countered by Rangers or Paratroopers.
PS : Try this combo as USF and tell me the results :
Go for Lieutenant and field 3 Rifles. Put LMGs and BARs on your rifles (1 BAR and 1 LMG) and equip your Lieutenant with double BARs. They become effective in all ranges, and they are able to stop blobs bigger than them.
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20 Aug 2018, 06:45 AM
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20 Aug 2018, 07:48 AM
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20 Aug 2018, 08:32 AM
#7
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OST has MG to back up grens and grens cans tay long range and then from the OKW side you can farm vet with volks while still in logn range and sturms clearing riflemen and rear echelons
20 Aug 2018, 10:07 AM
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Riflemen probably have the worst cost-efficiency in the game throughout the first 10-15 minutes IMO.
They need to close in vs volks and grens if they want to win the engagement, and by the time you are close enough vs a single squad you already dropped 1, sometimes even 2 models if you are unlucky. Means you may lose the engagement nonetheless. It feels like the only way to go here is to get some lucky early frag grenade hits. (Or hide them behind a sightblocker and wait, but not all maps offer that)
They are really good but only if they have 2 BARs and at least veterancy 2. And that is too much requirements.
They need to close in vs volks and grens if they want to win the engagement, and by the time you are close enough vs a single squad you already dropped 1, sometimes even 2 models if you are unlucky. Means you may lose the engagement nonetheless. It feels like the only way to go here is to get some lucky early frag grenade hits. (Or hide them behind a sightblocker and wait, but not all maps offer that)
They are really good but only if they have 2 BARs and at least veterancy 2. And that is too much requirements.
20 Aug 2018, 13:07 PM
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Try spamming m8s as mainline infantry. I hear they op from t0
20 Aug 2018, 15:58 PM
#10
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Codguy threat at it's finest.
Are you also on the Steam forums? Darth Showdan?
20 Aug 2018, 18:49 PM
#11
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no matter what you will outnumbered by okw and gren with lmg rekets everything
20 Aug 2018, 22:43 PM
#12
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Vetted LMG Grens murder the hell out of Riflemen. Riflemen with double BARs are good but its really expensive and even then they're not that much better than the former.
20 Aug 2018, 22:55 PM
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L2p OP.
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20 Aug 2018, 23:05 PM
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Try spamming USF KTs with 1919s then shoot your own ambulance to unlock the secret tactical nuke option from the Harry Truman doctrine
21 Aug 2018, 01:00 AM
#15
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Riflemen are a long term investment, just keep them alive and eventually they will out-trade even elite infantry, it's not their problem the other factions powercreep has hurt them early on but their scaling remains very strong.
21 Aug 2018, 01:28 AM
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Are you also on the Steam forums? Darth Showdan?
No.
I don't banter out my rage on forums. I read these for my entertainment. You could be the next Katitof.
Me: I am scared, that i will need to shake ma head the same as when i read ur posts, so i rather not
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
Katitof: Its not even close to me even at my worst in the past, imagine ullu, incendiary, aaa, vetlolcake and disto merge into one mega axis zord with forcefield protecting it from accepting any factual data. Add to that a victim card(his rumblings at my PM).
4 Oct 2018, 04:36 AM
#17
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Riflemen are a long term investment, just keep them alive and eventually they will out-trade even elite infantry, it's not their problem the other factions powercreep has hurt them early on but their scaling remains very strong.
The problem is to keep them alive. When your retreating squad get annihilated by a couple of lost bullet.
I would like to see a little improvement on their retreating ability.
This hole faction is so fragile. Big shout out to those who can play well USF.
4 Oct 2018, 05:45 AM
#19
Posts: 129
I think riflemen are reasonably balanced, so on some maps open maps that makes them quite poor when lmg42, obers, and mgs are very effective
8 Oct 2018, 02:28 AM
#20
Posts: 888
I think riflemen are reasonably balanced, so on some maps open maps that makes them quite poor when lmg42, obers, and mgs are very effective
Riflemen do get better if you can some how survive long enough to unlock the weapon rack and give them double bars. At the start of the game though they are an absolute joke. You literally have no effective combat units as USF for the first 5 minutes of the game.
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