How about we not have any T0 MG?

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 01:10 AMIncendiaryRounds

I LOVE a T0 build vs USF. I'm very good at it so my opponents will get frustrated and call me a spamming noob. The key is to either have your forces super scattered or super concentrated. Super scattered is to use the very edge of the map and super concentrated so you isolate a single mg and potentially steal it. Then spam light vehicles and you'll eventually win.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 00:59 AMIncendiaryRounds

I was just gonna say that, lol.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 08:54 AMCODGUY

Yes, a stupid reason. If I'm going to have to pay friggen 25 fuel and 150 MP (almost the same cost as OKW's T1 teching) for that stupid side tech I ateast would like to have my riflemen be able to use it without dumb REs (which can't even use it if you upgrade their weapons lol) and one officer unit.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 13:26 PMMittens

This thread is pretty toxic but I'll think critically here and if I'm wrong call me out, idc its my own view/take on it.

My opinion:
The MG 42 just suppresses/pins rly fast while doing decent damage and having a super wide arc. Throw pios with their increased view range in the mix and you have a wall of lead that cant be passed until you get enough for tech or have to waste MP on a mortar that may or may not smoke b/c of a bug.


IMO the only factions that lacks clear ways of clearing MG42s is simply brits. Americans have light counters with the mortar buff being decent but still lacking as USF smoke nades are still locked to REs and tech units. Soviets Maxim simply has the issue of the pay wall of T2, make of that what you will.

There are many ways to approach this but in our current build it is in-fact, had to deal with MG42s in many cases while play USF, and brits. This can be narrowed down to their tech structure but also in their lack of tools to deal with heavy MG42 builds and or emplaced-positions.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 13:46 PMIncendiaryRounds

Brits do have tools, you just need to be smarter using them than as USF and SU. Against a single mg42 build, you can ignore it early game as it will cover a very limited part of the map. If it's being carried around as gren support, you'll need to concentrate your forces if you want to engage and figure out how the mg is positioned and try to pull off an old fashioned flank like every faction can. Brit nades are the cheapest teched too. Against a heavy mg42 build, your job is a lot easier as you can get bren carrier and wipe the floor with them as Ost won't have the faust support required for each mg, hell they may have skipped T1 altogether. So as Brits, the first thing to do is determine whether or not he's spamming mgs.

And these are only teh 0min counters. Then you have snipers, pyro and a shitload of doctrinal stuff.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 13:26 PMMittens

This thread is pretty toxic but I'll think critically here and if I'm wrong call me out, idc its my own view/take on it.

My opinion:
The MG 42 just suppresses/pins rly fast while doing decent damage and having a super wide arc. Throw pios with their increased view range in the mix and you have a wall of lead that cant be passed until you get enough for tech or have to waste MP on a mortar that may or may not smoke b/c of a bug.


IMO the only factions that lacks clear ways of clearing MG42s is simply brits. Americans have light counters with the mortar buff being decent but still lacking as USF smoke nades are still locked to REs and tech units. Soviets Maxim simply has the issue of the pay wall of T2, make of that what you will.

There are many ways to approach this but in our current build it is in-fact, had to deal with MG42s in many cases while play USF, and brits. This can be narrowed down to their tech structure but also in their lack of tools to deal with heavy MG42 builds and or emplaced-positions.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jul 2018, 10:35 AMBlalord

so LT or Capt tech = "free" unit + "free" grenade search ? all this without needing a RE to build a building

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 13:46 PMIncendiaryRounds

Brits do have tools, you just need to be smarter using them than as USF and SU. Against a single mg42 build, you can ignore it early game as it will cover a very limited part of the map. If it's being carried around as gren support, you'll need to concentrate your forces if you want to engage and figure out how the mg is positioned and try to pull off an old fashioned flank like every faction can. Brit nades are the cheapest teched too. Against a heavy mg42 build, your job is a lot easier as you can get bren carrier and wipe the floor with them as Ost won't have the faust support required for each mg, hell they may have skipped T1 altogether. So as Brits, the first thing to do is determine whether or not he's spamming mgs.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 14:29 PMFelixTHM

That probably makes sense for team games, but not for 1v1. It doesn't seem possible to balance the game for all game modes.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 13:35 PMIncendiaryRounds

If USF players didn't beg for a mortar, riflemen would have the smoke. I think the 25F is probably too much to pay now, I'd lower it to 15-20.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 08:34 AMCODGUY

Have you seen what a rifle grenade does to Riflemen or Infantry Sections? Have you seen what an MG42 equipped Gren sqaud or two behind some simple sandbags can do to 3 or 4 Riflemen or Infantry Sections when they try to close in to attack or capture a point..

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 17:26 PMMittens

The problem is the unforgiving insta suppress that makes it damn near impossible to back out of the 'trap' even at the end of the fire arc. By the second or third volley you will likely be pinned and without smoke to block the LOS you'll just have to do a full retreat. This can be difficult early game as you basically lose that squad's ability to early cap. This is particularly hard on USF and brits as USF needs the all the squads it can get for field presences, and UKF simply lacks early cheap units to cap.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 08:54 AMCODGUY

If I'm going to have to pay friggen 25 fuel and 150 MP (almost the same cost as OKW's T1 teching)

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 18:07 PMSander93

Excuse me OKW T1 teching costs 40 fuel and 350 mp

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 20:16 PMCODGUY

So you have to buy a stupid halftrack first big whoop. Its still a better deal than the hoops USF has to jump through.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 23:05 PMthedarkarmadillo

i fail to see how grenades are a hoop. they also unlock smoke on 4 separate squads of whom 3 you will have received for free just by getting to tanks (starting RE, lieu/ Cap, major) and then grenades on all your rifles. its a choice, should YOU CHOSE not to get them. you dont get to twist other armies because you refuse to use the tools given to you.
the only flaw lies between your chair and keyboard

Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2018, 17:28 PMMittens

Agreed but there are similar crossovers. IMO the best mode to look for balance is 2v2 as far as balance goes but thats my opinion.