Bren Gun

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 18:07 PMJae For Jett

Just look at the stats.

Commando bren stats weren't touched by the latest patch.

Commando brens are insanely strong.

Commandos with double brens are insanely strong at max range because they have, as vipper pointed out, similar dps to obers even considering the fact that the stens basically do nothing at that range.

To that end, commandos with brens have similar dps to obers at max, but the commandos lose dps slower with model loss than obers do.

Vet bonuses are generally in obers' favor. Good to note though that commandos get the ambush bonus with vet.

Commandos with brens are pretty nicely priced compared to other similarly performing infantry. Vipper already compared them to obers, but you can also compare them to double lmg paras, which perform worse than commandos. 380 mp (if im not mistaken) and 120 muni for a squad thats less durable than commandos (6 models at target size 1.0) and has less max DPS.

UKF generally has a bunch of long range lmg infantry squads on the field. Why do you want ANOTHER long range infantry squad?

Jump back to quoted post26 Jun 2018, 17:17 PMblvckdream

They still get different versions.

The Infantry Section Bren has a DPS of 6.8 at max range while the Commando Bren has a DPS of 12 at max range.

Check this for stats:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8


It´s made by Cruzz. Very helpful.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 13:36 PMVipper

Too bad that commandos with double Bren at range 35 have close to DPS that Obers have with an LMG for about the same mu cost.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 18:39 PMKatitof

Can we see a couple of competitive level games where these insanely strong bren commandos are game changers in comparison to regular CQC use?

Or are we going to argue excel sheet potential alone?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 18:22 PMLoopDloop

It's worth noting that paras are much cheaper to reinforce (28 vs. 35 IIRC). They also have an extra man and the ability that lets them suppress with 1919s.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 20:23 PMswordfisch

Obers are better and cheaper stock, once they hit vet 2 with the accuracy boost they will seal club commandos who receive weaker vet. What's the point of teching 150mp and 15f then spending 90muni to ruin your commandos CQB wipe ability with a mid/long DPS buff when they will lose to obers 1vs1 and trade worse vs LMG grens?

Bren commandos are not LMG paras, they are a poor mans version.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 22:29 PMJae For Jett

Not sure why you keep saying bren commandos will trade worse vs lmg grens, it's just not true.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 22:46 PMswordfisch

You have to give reasons why you think someone is wrong ya know

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 21:14 PMLago

You'd need a competitive level game where UKF achieves anything first.

Prior to SBP Bren Infantry Sections were so good that you didn't need Bren Commandos.

SBP made Bren Commandos cheaper and made their competition for mid-long infantry (Bren Sections) much, much worse, making them a more attractive proposition on paper. However, it also doused the already flagging UKF faction with petrol and set it on fire.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 23:12 PMJae For Jett

Copy pasted into this comment for your convenience:

Just look at the stats.

Commando bren stats weren't touched by the latest patch.

Commando brens are insanely strong.

Commandos with double brens are insanely strong at max range because they have, as vipper pointed out, similar dps to obers even considering the fact that the stens basically do nothing at that range.

To that end, commandos with brens have similar dps to obers at max, but the commandos lose dps slower with model loss than obers do.



Anyway, given that you're still under the impression that vet 3 grens pack just as much of a punch at range as double bren commandos even though multiple users have said and proven otherwise with evidence, I'll just stop right now.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 23:45 PMLoopDloop

Lmao.

I find commandos to be better without brens, as you can use them in a role they excel in rather than waste them as more expensive line infantry. As a bonus, you also save 90 muni. I think they're great with brens, but better as a cqb unit doing something that the british lack in the first place.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2018, 10:50 AMLago

They excel as an close quarters ambush unit without Brens and they excel as a mid-long range assault unit with Brens.

Which you go for depends on which you need.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2018, 12:11 PMKatitof

They are so strong and potent with brens, the replay section is bloated with them being used in that way.

Oh wait, its not, because no one sane uses them that way.

They are most potent in theory.
In practice, if they really were as potent as people here try to claim, they'd be meta long before bren adjustment. Yet somehow they are not.
Care to explain why?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2018, 23:12 PMJae For Jett

Copy pasted into this comment for your convenience:

Just look at the stats.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2018, 12:11 PMKatitof

They are so strong and potent with brens, the replay section is bloated with them being used in that way.

Oh wait, its not, because no one sane uses them that way.

They are most potent in theory.
In practice, if they really were as potent as people here try to claim, they'd be meta long before bren adjustment. Yet somehow they are not.
Care to explain why?

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2018, 11:06 AMVipper

lets not forget the air-lading officer who benefited the most from the change to brens.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2018, 11:06 AMVipper

lets not forget the air-lading officer who benefited the most from the change to brens.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jun 2018, 12:53 PMLago

How so?