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Churchill Crocodile is not worth the resources

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Pegasus 1-1
18 Jun 2018, 11:39 AM
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From my experience ( mainly 2v2 and 4v4 im afraid , only dabble in 1v1 :help: ) the Churchill crocodile is not worth the resources for what it provides. Im by no means a high tier player so there is going to be an element of "L2P noob" in this , but what does everybody else think?

How can we make it such that its worth the investment?

Again , by no means do I understand balance like some of the people on here but this has been on my mind for too long.

All input is appreciated :)

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ullumulu
18 Jun 2018, 11:42 AM
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park/ push it in front of AT Guns or allie TDs-..and have easily a good anti infantery killer spongebob
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Pegasus 1-1
18 Jun 2018, 11:56 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Jun 2018, 11:42 AMullumulu
park/ push it in front of AT Guns or allie TDs-..and have easily a good anti infantery killer spongebob


But then get slapped up by panther and pak who can just stay back , if you go for them with croc you get swamped and then faust and then the rest is history :oops:
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Katitof
18 Jun 2018, 11:56 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Jun 2018, 11:42 AMullumulu
park/ push it in front of AT Guns or allie TDs-..and have easily a good anti infantery killer spongebob

Or you can get a pair of centaurs for lesser cost, less risk and more utility.
The only churchill somewhat worth its cost is MK7 and only because comet was slammed with nerfs so hard that MK7 ended up higher.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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blvckdream
18 Jun 2018, 11:58 AM
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I made a thread about this after the DBP nerfs. Classic example of UKF overnerfs.

RIP Crocodile
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aerafield
18 Jun 2018, 12:17 PM
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There is no "L2P noob" at all in this. IMO Crocodile is the worst flamer tank in the game cuz of the very steep price.

Main gun damage was nerfed to 80 so it's basically not even existent, and the tank is too slow for being very useful at the time it arrives on the battlefield.

Since the flamer nerf it's good at clearing out weapon teams, but that's all. Crocodile is only good if the opponent's sole AT source is AT guns, which simply isnt the case at the point of the match the croc arrives. Once the enemy has a JP4, stugs or panther(or even JT/Elefant), the crocodile is heavily reliant on AT support.

And that is the issue of UKF, due to lack of snares and slow-firing fireflies you need to focus a lot on having enough AT power on the field, so it obviously isnt good to invest so much in a unit that is utterly useless vs vehicles.
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ClickHereforStats
22 Jun 2018, 02:05 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Jun 2018, 12:17 PMaerafield
There is no "L2P noob" at all in this. IMO Crocodile is the worst flamer tank in the game cuz of the very steep price.

Main gun damage was nerfed to 80 so it's basically not even existent, and the tank is too slow for being very useful at the time it arrives on the battlefield.

Since the flamer nerf it's good at clearing out weapon teams, but that's all. Crocodile is only good if the opponent's sole AT source is AT guns, which simply isnt the case at the point of the match the croc arrives. Once the enemy has a JP4, stugs or panther(or even JT/Elefant), the crocodile is heavily reliant on AT support.

And that is the issue of UKF, due to lack of snares and slow-firing fireflies you need to focus a lot on having enough AT power on the field, so it obviously isnt good to invest so much in a unit that is utterly useless vs vehicles.
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ClickHereforStats
22 Jun 2018, 02:05 AM
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who the fuck even cares about brit cancer?
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Pegasus 1-1
22 Jun 2018, 06:18 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2018, 02:05 AMClickHereforStats
who the fuck even cares about brit cancer?


They are not even that bad , SBP has toned them down.
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insaneHoshi
22 Jun 2018, 06:20 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Jun 2018, 12:17 PMaerafield
There is no "L2P noob" at all in this. IMO Crocodile is the worst flamer tank in the game cuz of the very steep price.


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Pegasus 1-1
22 Jun 2018, 06:32 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2018, 06:20 AMinsaneHoshi


Flame hetzer says hi


What is the cost of a flammpanzer 38 t compared to Croc? Id hope its cheaper. At least the croc has Armour :thumb:
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TheGentlemenTroll
22 Jun 2018, 06:47 AM
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By the time the croc comes out German Panthers and TDs render it useless 90% of the time
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SturmTigerVorgo
22 Jun 2018, 07:13 AM
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WM Panther is also not worth the resources so I just don't use it.
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Tatatala
22 Jun 2018, 07:20 AM
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Ost Flame HT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clown Car > Any allied HT with flamer squads >>>>> Crocodile > Hetzer > WASP > KV-8.


Croc isn't even worst on the list.
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aerafield
22 Jun 2018, 08:03 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post22 Jun 2018, 06:20 AMinsaneHoshi


Flame hetzer says hi



Mate you just compared the best flamer tank with the worst flamer tank.

Im not even kidding, go test the flame hetzer a bit more in case u didnt after its buff in DBP. Go med HQ into t4, no flak HT so u can rush the hetzer. It's a cheap unit that is much faster than KV8 and croc and it wipes out an AT gun or a clumped squad in 1-2 bursts, so u can steamroll ur opponent if he doesnt have tank destroyers yet.

And also, since it'a a flamer tank it doesnt rely on any lucky RNG rolls in order to kill stuff unlike 99% of the units in CoH2
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Lago
22 Jun 2018, 11:44 AM
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The Flame Hetzer's a decent flamer tank.

The KV8 and Churchill Crocodile are a travesty when it comes to proper communication to the player.

The KV8 has the same model as the KV1. Looking at those two, you'd think they were equal in the hull department. Wrong! The KV8 has much worse armour and health than the KV1 despite looking exactly the same. The game doesn't tell the player this.

Same with the Churchill Croc: it's got the exact same turret on it, but for some reason it does half the damage. The game doesn't tell the player this.

This is absolutely awful design, amongst the worst game-to-player communication in the game in my view.

Give the KV8 the KV1's health and armour, give the Croc the Churchill's turret, health and armor, then balance them based on price and based on what's actually different about them.
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thedarkarmadillo
22 Jun 2018, 17:46 PM
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Churchill has a boatload of health and solid armour and a flamethrower and a main gun (gimped, but it's there). Plus for some unknown reason it provides recon when called in because why wouldn't it...
#stalinwept
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Dangerous-Cloth
22 Jun 2018, 17:56 PM
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Crocodoom isn't the reality anymore. A crocodile supported by 2 6 pounders and a couple of Brenned up sections is a nightmare to deal with. Add in a Cromwell and boy are you in trouble.
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Grim
28 Jun 2018, 07:58 AM
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The Crocodile has reached meme levels of badness.
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