Give me a reason why KV8 is OP?

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 00:55 AMBabaRoga

Do I think KV8 is OP, hell yeah. I hate seeing the damn thing on the field. It gives the biggest noob ability to force me to retreat/hide and forces me to tech/buy units I may not necessary wanted to go for.

Would I like to see KV8 nerfed? Yes, I would. Providing that commander it comes with gets properly balanced with nerfed KV8. Why, nerfed? for reasons I wrote ^ there.

Do I think KV8 makes commander, it comes with, OP? No, I don't. So far, other then pissing me off, I haven't noticed that I win or lose more games as direct result of KV8 being OP. In greater context of ultimately wining or losing the game, I haven't noticed that I lose 60%+ of games when I face Kv8 commander .

This to me, makes perfect sense. I simply can live with KV8, despite not liking to see it face me...

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2013, 21:01 PMShazz

There's really nothing to argue one way or another. It consistently gibs entire squads regardless of vet in the blink of an eye.

That's it - end of story.

It doesn't matter if it costs 4000 MP and 8000 fuel. It doesn't matter if it comes out at the 45 minute mark. It doesn't matter if it's 12CP.

This is Company of Heroes, where unit preservation and veterancy and combined arms are key. Anything that does what the KV8 does, with small exceptions for lucky artillery strikes, completely breaks that aspect of the game.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 01:19 AMwooof

well is2 and shock troops got a buff and cost reduction this patch. so one kv8 commander is now much better.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 02:02 AMNullist

BabaRoga, stop it already.

That "I admit its OP, but thats ok, cos its on a shit doctrine" crap doesn't fly.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 02:02 AMJohanSchwarz

Been playing a lot of Shock/KV-8 Commanders since the patch; Shocks are much more effective and viable now with their reduced reinforcement cost and makes the commander much more worth it. KV-8 coupled with SU-85 is as potent as ever and very effective with T2/T4 thanks to the new Maxim and MG42 nerf. It really warrants a nerf in the next patch because it's very hard to stop this build once it gets to late game.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 02:35 AMNullist

Its OP.

Nerf it.

Do I have to start pulling up quotations again where even the most hardcore mouthfoaming sov fanbois admit, time and time again, literally, that it is OP?

Nerf it. Its OP. /Thread.

Jump back to quoted post12 Sep 2013, 07:48 AMNullist

FHT was deservedly nerfed to bring its retreat killing inline.
M3 was laterally nerfed with the unit garrison attrition, to account for its retreat potential.
Its time the same was done to KV8.

Since there seem to be coding complexities with changing retreat specific flame dmg,
Relic sidestepped it with other nerfs on these vehicles. Same should be done for KV8.

If retreat specific dmg mechanics are too difficult to implement, there are other alternstives to achieve the same resukt, as was done for FHT and M3.

KV8 stats are still at campaign levels. I strongly believe this is simply an innocent oversight. FHT flame also was at campaign levels before its nerf, so there is precedent for this.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2013, 12:45 PMNullist

Frankly the attitudes that "KV8 is fine, L2P" in this thread are just making me mad.

I'm discontinuing discussion in this thread with people who have no interest in objective balance discussion.

Bye.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 07:26 AMOZtheWiZARD

I retreat my statement.
After last game I understand what you guys mean when saying that your units were obliterated by KV-8. Something have to be done, as I am sure that wasn't intentional design decision.
I sustain my opinion regarding countering it and trying to fight it with Panzer Grenadiers though.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 07:26 AMOZtheWiZARD

I retreat my statement.
After last game I understand what you guys mean when saying that your units were obliterated by KV-8. Something have to be done, as I am sure that wasn't intentional design decision.
I sustain my opinion regarding countering it and trying to fight it with Panzer Grenadiers though.

Jump back to quoted post13 Sep 2013, 13:36 PMJohanSchwarz

A bigger deal needs to be made of this - it is becoming abundantly clear that the devs are overlooking the issue, unless they plan on releasing another patch relatively soon addressing heavy tank stats.

Frankly, as the meta of this patch develops and KV-8 commanders becomes more popular due to Shock buff and MG42 nerf granting much more viability to T2/T4 builds, this is just going to spiral out of control.