Jackson Overperforming

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 13:23 PMLago

If a vehicle counters the Jackson it counters USF's whole vehicular lineup.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 13:39 PMSander93

The Jackson does not need to be nerfed so much that it can be countered, but it could be toned down a little so it loses its complete dominance over any Axis tanks. It just has too many good things that make it a bit too (cost) effective. I'm on board with a slight nerf (or reversing the buff) to its mobility for example.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 11:47 AMLago

The Jackson received a popcap nerf so Jackson spam is less of an issue now: any player that heavily invests in Jacksons is going to have a fairly small army outside of them.

As for its strong performance against tanks in a slugging match, that's what it's for. If StuGs could counter Jacksons then they'd counter the entire USF vehicle fleet.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 14:12 PMullumulu

lel...popcap ...as USF...never played this faction right?? you can hops out of the jackson..and wuppie..you can build an other ... LEL...popcap as USF...

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 14:22 PMLago

https://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/viewBoard/0/steamid/76561198031945233

Unless you plan on decrewing your entire vehicle fleet whenever you want to reinforce your infantry you're not going to go very far over your popcap as USF.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 11:29 AMDarth

I am not looking for advice on how to counter Jacksons. Of course paks and pgrens are effective counters, but it doesn't change the fact that it is overperforming. Jackson is too good against OKW as well, although the jp4 can definitely go toe to toe better than the stug can.

USF doesn't deserve to have both the best mainline infantry in the game as well as the best TD. I am not even asking for a large nerf here. Like I said I think a small pen nerf at far range is all it needs. It can easily be made up for by using HVAP rounds, an underrated ability which I often see players neglect.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 15:38 PMTheGentlemenTroll

Didnt the jackson get some ninja nefs? Like range down to 55 and slightly less accuracy at long range? or was it patched out?

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 14:00 PMLago

I'm not sure it is dominant. It's not a glass cannon like the Firefly any more but it still doesn't want to take head on slugging matches with JPIVs or Panthers.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 15:45 PMSander93

I think there's a big difference between 1v1/2v2 and 3v3/4v4 here. I don't think the Jackson overperforms in the first type of games because engagements are typically all over the place. In teamgames however, with most maps having corridor fights, the Jackson can just bully Axis armor at max range and then retreat behind a wall of AT guns when the enemy tanks counter attack. It's a bit too good at kiting because of its extreme mobility combined with huge range and accuracy/penetration and even an HP pool large enough to take some hits.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 16:00 PMswordfisch

nerfing the acceleration would just make it a sitting duck for P4 spam again, Axis armour should be a mixed composition against different vehicles. Jackson should force you to invest in Shreks, Pak, or Panther for example.
You shouldn't just be able to spam P4's and destroy everything. So it's a no from me.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 19:02 PMthedarkarmadillo

Mixed composition eh?
"hah a p4!"
*uses jackson*
OH no a panther
*uses jackson*
Gasp! A JP4
Jackson
KING TIGER
ahem jackson
Blyat a captured is-2
Jackson
Elefant?
Flank with a jackson
Rocket arty behind the enemy lines!
Dives with highly mobile jackson
OH no a mine and a blew my engine
Uses crew In Jackson

But yea the enemy should definitely employ combined arms

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 19:06 PMKatitof

Gee, I wonder what would happen if axis factions had AT guns and AT infantry.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2018, 19:09 PMthedarkarmadillo

The other omi potent unit usf has. Rifles. Slap a couple bars on em ball em together and anything unarmour will die. That's the beautiful design of the usf. Many units, but 2 will do.