Tips vs Snipers with SU85 (1v1)
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I can keep up early game, but then they transition into snipers covered by SU85s.
My PZ4s cant handle the SU85s (close combat is dangerous due to the conscripts AT nading it). And the snipers wack my infantry.
Anyone have any insights on how to handle this? It doesn't seem realistic to deny fuel for the SU85 and I can't countersnipe, chasing the snipers with scoutcars also seems rather sketchy late game due to AT nades and SU85s prowling the field.
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Op ? It's not a question of Op, it's just you don't need head for play russians. Normale coh 2 is a stratégie and tactic game ..
If Russians are that easy to play why aren't you ranked number 1?
And to counter the SU85 and sniper combo you have to um...well i think only the Elephant can save you. I never seen an effective counter for it by any players.
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I've had sorta-success with doing sneak attacks with flamer HTs from the side after drawing the Russians forward. Like give up some ground, let him come after you, then drive the HT around the side so it doesn't get immediately killed by the SU85(s).
It's still a suicide run but you can get the snipers at times.
Elephant seems sketchy in 1v1, as do Panthers (although i've not really tried for lack of fuel).
I was thinking about some sort of artillery to threaten the snipers. So maybe mortars/mortar HT with napalm or the howitzer/panzerwerfer could be an idea. If you can get rid of the snipers you can hit the SUs with shrek squads.
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I also make sure to have a HT nearby to quickly reinforce my grens.
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It sort of works, if you can threaten the snipers with indirect fire he's not as effective. If you can chase them off you can follow up with PAK/pzgrens with shreks since the SUs aren't very hot against that.
It's a bit sad that the PAK isn't better...
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sniper
scout car (only if their su-85 has back off)
gren rifle grenade works well
charge with pgren and they will retreat
mortar is gd
these are just ways which ive gotten rid of them before
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In vCoH you would just build a sniper to countersnipe the shit outta the enemy. I don't understand why the soviet snipers are 2 man teams..
ive noticed that u can counter snipe a soviet sniper team and ur sniper will re cloak before the last man has a chance to shoot back...them having a 2 man squad just means he can retreat after losing the 1st man.
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Against SU85: Wait for Elefant, get an Ostwind afterwards.
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What i do against snipers: Charge grenadiers. Martar(-halftracks) are too luck based. Pgrenadiers are too costly.
Against SU85: Wait for Elefant, get an Ostwind afterwards.
im not sure t4 with elephant is a good idea because u wanna save up all ur fuel for elephant instead of wasting it by teching up and if he has allot of snipers its gonna cost him allot of manpower
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However it's not a realistic solution due to the cost both in fuel and CP's. The soviets will have ground you to dust well before you can get it out.
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I think rushing for a panther might just be a good solution. AT-nades have a chance to deflect and SU-85's are slower when focus sight is on. At least the panther is not dependant on cp's. I haven't tried it yet, but I think you can get out a panther much sooner than you can get an elefant, both fuel wise and also cp-wise. Another benefit will be that you can actually take a more useful doctrine this way.
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The time's i've beaten it it's been by being defensive and giving up ground, then looking for a chance to break one of the "legs" of the setup (either the SUs or the snipers). It helps to be able to reinforce in the field (halftrack) so he can't eliminate your presence completely.
Panther getting in close on isolated SUs works, sneaking a scout around the back to either kill or chase off the snipers also helps, snipers do take a while to get back in the action so making them run off is a small victory. Artillery works too in threatening the snipers in the back.
But really, the above only works on people who aren't that good.
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Then you will have to face the inevitable SUs. It's very, very tricky. For starters, you will need lot of AT power. I don't think that holding on fuel until an Elephant comes out is a viable strategy - at least not on a game you haven't already won. You need to diversify: Paks, PGrens and Panthers. If it's a team game, try to complement your mate(s) armies. Do not just build a blob of PGrens - they might be the best counter to the SU but this will leave you very easy to counter. Then it all depends on what will your enemy will use to kill your infantry. If he goes Shock Troopers, maintain one or more AI tanks (Ostwind, P4 or Brummbar). If he goes KV-8, you *need* to have a Panther. If he goes snipers, a mortar can help blinding then while you attack.
Hold his advances until you see an opening to attack. From the moment you have a solid AT lineup, either accumulate fuel for an Elephant or spam Panthers and try to overwhelm him.
Notice that all these strategies are quite micro intensive: managing a diverse army while blobs of high-damage units are pounding you is tricky. So in any case you will have to outplay your opponent by a fair margin.
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Op ? It's not a question of Op, it's just you don't need head for play russians. Normale coh 2 is a stratégie and tactic game ..
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