About Jacksons

Jump back to quoted post8 Mar 2018, 08:46 AMVipper

That does not answer the question which OKW and Ostheer units would counter the suggested M36.

(PLS stop bringing up the Puma the chances you suggested to not turn the M36 into a Puma, I have illustrated clearly that M36 and Puma use a different gun profile)

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 05:23 AMFiresparks

okw have jp4.

the wehr lack 60m range unit beside the pak, but that's why the jackson sight is limited to 45+5. a lone jackson is still vulnerable to the stug and panther vet 2.

There's a reason why Jackson get a hp nerf to 480 in the proposal. this is to ensure the Jackson will still lose in a prolong engagement, but have the tool to retreat.

And units like the puma is by nature a high micro unit. People will make mistake, "pro" just make less of them.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 09:19 AMVipper

JP4 does not have the speed to chase the M36 you propose.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 10:06 AMKatitof

Why would it?
Why people believe its a nonono to ever lose a squad in skirmish, but armored combat is not won unless it ends up with fatality?

You made him retreat and repair, he is out of combat for some time, stop camping and shaking in your pants and push now!

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 10:13 AMVipper

Since USF can crew reapir and OKW need SP for everything you can not win by out-repairing your opponent.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 10:15 AMKatitof

That still is not instant, again do not camp being scared, scare away and wound TD, barrage team weapons and push.

Sure Dynamics of that in 4v4 are different, but I hope we do not talk about that.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 10:20 AMJohnSmith

Alternatively, with a quick recon and a bit of luck, you can barrage the zones where the tank will be repaired to get a crew kill. I often do that in 2on2 especially on tighter maps. Self repairs are not always a benefit, they still require micro and they can get wiped easily especially when the player is busy elsewhere. Unexpected win!

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 11:01 AMVipper

I am not going to explain the benefit of crew repair on thread about the M36.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 11:01 AMVipper

If in you opinion, the M36 as suggested by Firesparks is better solution then the current live one, I would suggested you make it clear and push for the change.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 10:20 AMJohnSmith

Alternatively, with a quick recon and a bit of luck, you can barrage the zones where the tank will be repaired to get a crew kill. I often do that in 2on2 especially on tighter maps. Self repairs are not always a benefit, they still require micro and they can get wiped easily especially when the player is busy elsewhere. Unexpected win!

Jump back to quoted post8 Mar 2018, 09:06 AMSupremeStefan

if u are so smart tell me how counter ele or jagtiger in teamgames as usf especialy redball express. Tank destroyer with super armor and 70 range its real cancer not jackson. If u have problem with jackson u propobly never play as allies especialy teamgames. Adapt like alies players to heavy tank destroyers. And dont tell me they are after nerf because they are still game breaking

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 09:19 AMVipper

JP4 does not have the speed to chase the M36 you propose.

Neither the Stug.

Unless cloaked M36 will be able to spot most opponents first and using smoke will be able to flee unfavorable engagement.

Again it will not work the Puma since the Puma is rather bad long range but more like a sniper.As you say the M36 user will have to make a mistake to lose it. That imo is bad design.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 17:29 PMTheGentlemenTroll

If you force the Jackson away doesn't that mean you won the engagement?

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 18:22 PMVipper

Not if the M36 is back in action faster than one's vehicles. Not if one has not managed to win a inch of ground.

The question remains in your opinion is the M36 as suggested by firesparks better balanced than the current live?

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 10:13 AMVipper

In addition JP4 do not push they are TDs not tanks.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 18:35 PMTheGentlemenTroll

I'd say itd be better than what we have now. It would put the Jackson back into a strictly TD role instead of a TD and Dive Tank which makes it so strong. I still prefer a 76mm nondoc unit to act the the USF's Dive/brawler tank. Smoke would be nice also since one of the major issues with prepatch Jackson was that it was super squish and really susceptible to dives or super TDs.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2018, 04:52 AMFiresparks

same thing for the Jackson if they get their HP down to 480 HP.

puma survival kit is good to get you out of a jam, but it's not going to help you if you go balls down.



my intent was to push Jackson back into a TD role and buff the sherman 75mm instead.

increase the sherman health to 800 and it can be a decent dive tank.

As a short note, I think the different medium should focus on different attribute to help them scale.

panzer 4 get firepower (pen, AOe) with their kwk40. Provide flexible firepower for the more specialist unit. They lack the armor to stand as the front line but their Firepower make them excellent at deterring flanker.

sherman get hp and armor with their wet storage and improve late war armor. They serve as cost effective meat power for the allies late game

cromwell get speed and evasion. Raiders to support the defensive british.

t34-76 would get a useful ram.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2018, 05:40 AMTheGentlemenTroll

I feel that the 75mm sherman would get way to strong against other mediums being the main issue with that, which would be the main reason id prefer a 76mm tank, but either or would be nice.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2018, 05:47 AMFiresparks

I'm assuming there's no unit added to the roster, meaning the 75mm sherman is what the USF have to work with.

and even with 800 hp I believe it's possible to balance out p4 vs sherman using pen and armor. The buff to the sherman's gun from 100-140 hasn't really made it scale that well anyway and I think it can be exchanged for extra HP instead.


Taken into large context, the sherman 75 with 800 will work with jackson with 480 hp. In the open the jackson can provide fire support while the sherman with increased hp tackle close quarter.

Jump back to quoted post10 Mar 2018, 04:52 AMFiresparks

same thing for the Jackson if they get their HP down to 480 HP.

puma survival kit is good to get you out of a jam, but it's not going to help you if you go balls down.

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2018, 10:13 AMVipper

Since USF can crew repair and OKW need SP for everything you can not win by out-repairing your opponent.

In addition JP4 do not push they are TDs not tanks.