Comet

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2018, 09:37 AMVipper

And here lies the issue. Panther and Comet are not similar unit, they have different roles.

The comparison might even had some validity if they where facing equal threats, but allied TDs and AT infantry are more cost efficient that axis one.

To make thing even worse Panther is unit that is not actually balanced since it has trouble of its own and should not be used as benchmark until first it gets balanced.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2018, 22:57 PMblvckdream

It´s funny. People cry about the Panther being trash (which it is) but apparently the Comet is even worse and that is somehow OK because it can´t be compared to the Panther for reasons unknown. Why try to compare it to the Tiger when the Tiger is a doctrinal heavy tank with good AI.

Comets and Panthers are both premium medium tanks that lack AI compared to Cromwell/P4 but offer good armour and thus good performance vs P4s, Cromwells, T34s, Shermans etc.

Wehraboo logics make no sense to me.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2018, 23:34 PMblvckdream

Cromwell has much much better AI than Comet by the way. Good luck trying to get 15-20 infantry kills with a Comet, you will need all match to get them.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 00:10 AMStug life

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cromwell gun Scatter

Scatter angle
7.5
Distance offset
0.25
Distance ratio
1
Distance max
6.4
AOE

AOE Radius
2.5
Distance near
0.25
Distance mid
1
Distance far
1.5
Damage near
160
Damage mid
64
Damage far
32
Damage all in hold
true
Damage friendly near
80
Damage friendly far
16

Comet gun

Scatter

Scatter angle
7.5
Distance offset
0.25
Distance ratio
1
Distance max
6.4
AOE

AOE Radius
2.5
Distance near
0.25
Distance mid
1
Distance far
1.5
Damage near
160
Damage mid
64
Damage far
32
Damage all in hold
true
Damage friendly near
80
Damage friendly far
16

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2018, 23:10 PMStug life

maybe cause stats are similar ?
comet Target size: 22 Sight: 35 Speed: 6.9 Accel: 2.2 Rotate: 32 Armor: 290/110 Health: 800
Damage 160
Accuracy near 0.06
Accuracy mid 0.045
Accuracy far 0.03
Range near 0
Range mid 20
Range far 40
Range 0 - 45
Penetration near 210
Penetration mid 190
Penetration far 170

tiger Target size: 26 Sight: 35 Speed: 5.2 Accel: 1.8 Rotate: 24 Armor: 300/140 Health: 1040
Damage 160
Accuracy near 0.05
Accuracy mid 0.0375
Accuracy far 0.025
Range near 0
Range mid 22.5
Range far 45
Range 0 - 45
Penetration near 240
Penetration mid 220
Penetration far 200
tiger has a bit less scatter a bigger aoe (2.5 vs 3.5) but worse spread of aoe (mid aoe 64 vs 24)

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 02:51 AMFiresparks

you forgot the reload. 6.15 on the comet and 5 on the tiger.

and not every stats are the same. having 20% small target size doesn't immediately translate into 20% more survivabiliy like having 240 more hp.

and actually the 240 hp is better than it looks, since it allow the tiger to take 7 shots compare to the comet's 5. That's a 40% jump in survivability.


and the max scatter distance on the tiger vs comet is 4.3 and 6.4. It's essentially vertical dispersion. Scatter mainly affect your accuracy vs infantry, and also help against tanks (stray shot). The cromwell and comet used to have two of the best scatter in the the game, but now it's just average and worse than tiger.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 04:59 AMTobis

Do you really expect the comet to be on par with the tiger?

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 05:10 AMFiresparks

the idea is to exactly point out how and why the comet is not on par with the tiger and therefore be able to more fairly assess a fair price for both unit.

Balance shouldn't be done in a vacuum. Knowing precisely how well one unit perform against another is critical.

Otherwise balancing from ignorance will just lead to overpriced/underpriced unit, like the comet is it now.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 05:58 AMTobis

Why don't you give us your suggestion on how to improve the Comet then instead of talking about other tanks.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2018, 04:20 AMFiresparks

and I think the comet's main fault is its price/performance ratio, and acceleration. The comet is certainly a step above the E8 and t34/85mm, but not quite a good deal at its present cost and upkeep. Right now it fills a good gap between the FF, centuar, and cromwell in terms of role and performance.



and historically the comet had a much better P/W than the panther. The Comet isn't heavy enough to brawl with the german heavy and should have the out run what it can't out fight.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 02:51 AMFiresparks

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and the max scatter distance on the tiger vs comet is 4.3 and 6.4. It's essentially vertical dispersion. Scatter mainly affect your accuracy vs infantry, and also help against tanks (stray shot). The cromwell and comet used to have two of the best scatter in the the game, but now it's just average and worse than tiger.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 06:45 AMVipper

The comments on scatter are actually misleading.

Max scatter distance is a limit and as such less important more important is scatter ratio which is the same at 1.

Having a bigger max scatter distance can actually be better when fighting vs tanks and worse when fighting infantry.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 07:00 AMFiresparks

If two persons are playing dice game to see who get the lower number, the person with a 1d3 will have an advantage over a 1d6.

Jump back to quoted post5 Mar 2018, 00:10 AMStug life

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