Opinion on Ostheer Panther in new patch (1v1)

Title.

Hmm, more or less in a good spot, except for being the least useful unit in a tier that no one needs to tech for and having a bit higher fuel cost than it deserves.
Basically, the OKW panther before DBP is what current OsT panther should be and current OsT panther is what OKW panther should have been before DBP.
But for now, they should buff the accuracy, especially the on the move accuracy and see how that helps

I can't have an opinion on a non existant unit, because a unit with no role at all may aswell not exist.

1) Long range fighter: It sucks in long range stationary tank sniping, it has a terribly low dps compared to FF, Jackson, jadgpanzer 4...

2) Cqb hunter tank: it won't benefit from it's armor at that range most of the time, the dps is still ridicolously low and moving to actually hunt enemies makes it even worse.

Piece of trash need some moving accuracy AND accuracy buff.

They should have replaced the HP vet they removed with an accuracy one.

Swap tiger with Panther in T4. Then thinks will be better.

At the moment it does not justify its high costs.

panther is at an Awesome spot, if you are stomping and flooding Ressources and need to dump some.
In a serious game? No not really. you dont want to have a bad midgame after an medicore early game.

Swap tiger with Panther in T4. Then thinks will be better.

hope u joking

hope u joking

T4 is UP because not only it cost allot, but because it gives access to also very expensive and specialized units.

What it needs is main battle tank capable of dealing both AI and AT. Either Ost Panther needs a dual purpose gun or Tiger should become available at T4 and Panther doctrinal.

The unit might need further balancing. Else Tiger commander will continue to dominate the meta.


(well there other option like seriously toning down allied infantry both AI and AT and the heavy Tds)

(or swapping Brumbar (and toning down the AOE) with Ostwind)

T4 is UP because not only it cost allot, but because it gives access to also very expensive and specialized units.

What it needs is main battle tank capable of dealing both AI and AT. Either Ost Panther needs a dual purpose gun or Tiger should become available at T4 and Panther doctrinal.

The unit might need further balancing. Else Tiger commander will continue to dominate the meta.


(well there other option like seriously toning down allied infantry both AI and AT and the heavy Tds)

(or swapping Brumbar (and toning down the AOE) with Ostwind)

or we actually make the panther a tank hunter with better moving accuracy

or we actually make the panther a tank hunter with better moving accuracy

+1000

Why there is even reason to discuss pather really?

Before saying its UP or OP at least name the advantages of it in meta and in armys its represent in.

Lets forget about bad accuracy and imagine its got buffed. What the point of going for panther?
Allies:
FireFly has insane damage burst and its easy to vet. Can fight heavy tanks.
SU-85 has really nice range and penetration aswell as cool vet. Can fight heavy tanks
Jackson is very fast, has good penetration, rather cheap and after patch has nice HP. Can fight heavy tanks.
Axis:
JaghtPanzer is the easiest tank to get vet 5 on, it has camo and really nice RoF. With vet can fight heavy tanks.
Panther: the most armored of all, tanks like sherman\cromwell\t34-75 would have problems penetrating its frontal armor. Hard to vet. Cant fight heavyes like IS-2\Churchill\ISU frontally.

All of thouse units (aswell as Panther) share same disadvantages - almost non existend AI.

So the only and single Panther advantage, if we ignore all other stuff - its hard to fight it with lowest tier medium tanks. And thats pretty much it. You pay 180+ fuel only for armor on your medium tank. Aside from armor Panther is the downgraded version of PIV without any AI capabilities.

Oh and I would also like to add, that the whole consept of "panther is flanking\chacing TD" isnt working. It only works for Jackson, because it would be penetrated anyway, so flanking with it isnt going to put you in disadvantage due to close range fights. While flanking with panther removes its armor advanatage, since it will be penetrated MUCH more ofter in close range fights.

or we actually make the panther a tank hunter with better moving accuracy

That might help but will not solve the issues of Ostheer T4.

In addition the Panther will still not be able to kite enemy tanks due to range, will not be able to chase or flank due to price and rear armor.

It will have to fire and retreat repair.

That might help but will not solve the issues of Ostheer T4.

In addition the Panther will still not be able to kite enemy tanks due to range, will not be able to chase or flank due to price and rear armor.

It will have to fire and retreat repair.

That's why nerfing armor/range and boosting hp pool and moving/stationary accuracy would succesfully revitalize tier 4 and okw panther.

That's why nerfing armor/range and boosting hp pool and moving/stationary accuracy would succesfully revitalize tier 4 and okw panther.

Do you understand that giving its health and less armor, would also boost enemy ability to vet up tanks\AT units?

Units dont get exp for non-penetrated shots, while due to panther cost, more HP and less amor means insane amount of exp. Thats why Heavy TDs are so easy to vet-up if Brits had gone into churchils.

Do you understand that giving its health and less armor, would also boost enemy ability to vet up tanks\AT units?

Units dont get exp for non-penetrated shots, while due to panther cost, more HP and less amor means insane amount of exp. Thats why Heavy TDs are so easy to vet-up if Brits had gone into churchils.

And this is an issue because...?

And this is an issue because...?

Its not an issue if this was your questing, game exp works like this.

If your question is why it would be an issue, then it would be because your panthers would just feed enemy AT units vet.

I'm just pointing you that your option is not really a good idea.

Its not an issue if this was your questing, game exp works like this.

If your question is why it would be an issue, then it would be because your panthers would just feed enemy AT units vet.

I'm just pointing you that your option is not really a good idea.

Nah, i would take a decent tank hunter over feeding the enemy a bit more any time.

The Panther needs an accuracy buff. It seems to miss every attack especially on the move.

Useless.

The StuG does a better job and is a crutch for Ostheer.

Tier 4 is still too expensive to get.

The relaod buff is barely noticeable.

Were the MGs buffed? I honestly can't tell.

The vet 2 nerf (no armour buff) hit too hard for the ultra lategame. Vet 2 was the only thing next to the penetration the Panther had going for it.

The Jackson adjustment gave the Panther the rest.