New Wehrmacht Jäger Infantry

Jump back to quoted post26 Dec 2017, 18:40 PMHon3ynuts

If grens/pgrens "performed" the same but resisted wipes like 5 man squads wher could go from being the worst to the best faction.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 08:38 AMStorm Elite

Which is exactly why the new Artillery Field Officer is so good. Five models + 0.9 received accuracy = a unit that can actually stay in combat long enough to accomplish something.

By comparison, four-man Ostheer infantry squads without reduced received accuracy are an utter joke, with the first model dying immediately upon engaging literally any enemy.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 09:33 AMPuppetmaster

The unit is really good. If Ost had that instead of Grens it would be rather op.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 09:33 AMPuppetmaster

What kind of funky drugs are you on? Must be a pretty sweet hallucination trip you are on


The unit is really good. If Ost had that instead of Grens it would be rather op.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 17:17 PMStorm Elite

Now re-read what I wrote.

Five models + 0.9 RA = great call-in unit.

Four models + full RA = garbage baseline unit.

If baseline Ostheer units had EITHER five models OR better RA, they'd probably be viable.

But they have neither, making them utterly incapable of ever actually participating in combat for longer than three seconds.

These new five-man squads show beyond a doubt how crippled Ostheer is compared to all other factions in the game. And UKF is a bloody joke, when they literally also get four-man squads but those squads do obscene damage while in cover (strictly better than Ostheer) and can have five models on top of that.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 17:20 PMMr.Smith

Both Jaeger Infantry and Grenadiers have 0.91 RA.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 17:25 PMStorm Elite

Then the RA isn't enough by itself after all (or there's a bug).

But I think it's fairly obvious to everyone right now that the new five-man Ostheer squads are now mandatory, or else you're handicapping yourself, and that OKW is simply more effective because it has five-man baseline squads.

At the end of the day, stayability decides pretty much all engagements, your ability to use call-ins, your ability to flank, everything. Ostheer has none.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 17:25 PMStorm Elite

But I think it's fairly obvious to everyone right now that the new five-man Ostheer squads are now mandatory, or else you're handicapping yourself, and that OKW is simply more effective because it has five-man baseline squads.

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 17:40 PMZombiFrancis

Team weapons take 3 models to crew.

4 man squads can only lose one model before crewing "wipes" the squad.

Ostheer tends to rely heavily on team weapons.

Ostheer tends to struggle with field presence.

Having an hmg or pak decrewed in a fight is pretty much a death sentence for ostheer unless they manage to win the whole engagement. But even so if there's no 221, ostheer has to reinforce their army twice.

Which leaves them in the slow death spiral of trying to recrew weapons before the next wave of freshly healed and reinforced allied forces.

• DPS: Four-man Ostheer squads lose a quarter of their damage immediately upon the start of every engagement.
  
• SURVIVAL: Four-man Ostheer squads get wiped by explosives all the time, and even two bloody huge patches with model spacing "fixes" haven't stopped this, while Allied infantry still enjoys being so spread out that a single Rifleman squad can take up the space of four Grenadier squads and be practically invulnerable to grenades.
  
• CREWING: Four-man Ostheer squads can't crew anything after even the shortest of engagements.