I finally got my email survey (yay!).
I really want to do the section on other campaigns done well credit though, and I'm having trouble remembering other good RTS campaigns and what they did well.
I found the COH1 campaigns extremely satisfying and played them multiple times, so I know the COH2 campaign could have been better, even if I'm not completely sure why. So far my entire response basically revolves around COH1.
So in the interests of helping to remind me and other survey takers of what they've played in the past, what great campaign gameplay and moments do you recall that could inform our feedback in this survey?
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Examples of other campaigns done well - COH2 Survey
21 Nov 2017, 01:22 AM
#1
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21 Nov 2017, 08:12 AM
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I'm basically writing "make it like Close Combat. Get rid of scripted missions. Lots of small, dynamic campaigns."
21 Nov 2017, 08:32 AM
#3
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Red Alert 2 had good campaigns.
21 Nov 2017, 09:14 AM
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I actually find ardennes assault to be one of the best rts campaigns. Other than that world in conflict (with soviet add on), supreme commander, starcraft 1 & 2. That would be my top.
21 Nov 2017, 12:20 PM
#5
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codename panzers had a german campaign which was very well done --> so it is possible
21 Nov 2017, 15:25 PM
#6
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Red Alert 2 had good campaigns.
Command and conquer series was actually pretty good campaign wise. I still kind of enjoy the campiness of Red Alert 1.
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21 Nov 2017, 15:27 PM
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World in conflict also had nice campagins and cutscenes
21 Nov 2017, 16:33 PM
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Close Combat series.
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21 Nov 2017, 18:13 PM
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Storytelling
Age Of Mythology definatley hit the mark spot from a storytelling perspective
-Very much a journey you take with the characters as they try to figure out whats going on and how to do right
-Well developed charachters
-Plot was interesting
-Good gameplay with 3 factions. Multiple mission types ect.
Also Starcraft 2 was AMAZING from the story telling perspective, but that had already been mentioned.
DOW 1 had a pretty good story arc as well, simiar to AOM
Definately would like to go on a journey with the protaganists
GAMEPLAY
Diffuculty definately has to be there. Most recent relic campaigns have been super easy, DOW2 retribution, ardennes, Coh2 still crashes on me so ig that ones hardest
Stronghold crusader extreme trail was super difficult and a lot of fun as a result. Pretty much impossible at some points but that makes you more invested in the outcome rather than a cakewalk.
Age Of Mythology definatley hit the mark spot from a storytelling perspective
-Very much a journey you take with the characters as they try to figure out whats going on and how to do right
-Well developed charachters
-Plot was interesting
-Good gameplay with 3 factions. Multiple mission types ect.
Also Starcraft 2 was AMAZING from the story telling perspective, but that had already been mentioned.
DOW 1 had a pretty good story arc as well, simiar to AOM
Definately would like to go on a journey with the protaganists
GAMEPLAY
Diffuculty definately has to be there. Most recent relic campaigns have been super easy, DOW2 retribution, ardennes, Coh2 still crashes on me so ig that ones hardest
Stronghold crusader extreme trail was super difficult and a lot of fun as a result. Pretty much impossible at some points but that makes you more invested in the outcome rather than a cakewalk.
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21 Nov 2017, 23:10 PM
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I'm basically writing "make it like Close Combat. Get rid of scripted missions. Lots of small, dynamic campaigns."
Interesting, because I leaned the other way. I found that the AI in Ardennes Assault was its biggest flaw. The enemy seemed to just float around uselessly, whereas strategically implemented scripts can help inject a feel of an intelligent human opponent, or dramatic moments. That said, it's very easy to do scripts poorly.
Some of my COH2 Guides:
| The COH2 System Performance Guide | The COH2 FAQ |
22 Nov 2017, 02:23 AM
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Interesting, because I leaned the other way. I found that the AI in Ardennes Assault was its biggest flaw. The enemy seemed to just float around uselessly, whereas strategically implemented scripts can help inject a feel of an intelligent human opponent, or dramatic moments. That said, it's very easy to do scripts poorly.
What I would consider as a more recent proponent of dynamic missions would be Ultimate General: Gettysburg, which as it implies takes place on the American Civil War's Battle of Gettysburg with the potential for the combat acting pretty much like the actual battle or not. The AI works hard to take advantage of sight-blockers, terrain, focus-firing, and I think they claimed there's no AI difficulty stat boosting (there is an honest option to turn on an AI stat boost for extra difficulty, though). There is like, 5 unit types though with fairly simple factors for their distinctions, though.
22 Nov 2017, 23:54 PM
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Red Alert 2 had good campaigns.
I did think of that. It helped that it in no way took itself seriously, whereas COH doesn't have that option. But it did share similarities in that practically every unit was important and valuable, with clearly defined roles.
Some of my COH2 Guides:
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27 Nov 2017, 05:29 AM
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Permanently BannedLoved Ardennes Assault. Definitely one of my favorite RTS campaigns off the top of my head.
I remember liking SC2's Wings of Liberty Camapign despite not being a fan of the gameplay (not bad, just not my preference. CoH has spoiled RTS games for me) which means the campaign polish and structure was just so well done that i can overlook the gameplay style.
Wargame European Escalation had some really challenging scripted campaigns.
Wargame Airland Battle had a promising campaign map with interesting decisions you can make.
If they do a dynamic campaign, I definitely think they should take inspirations from Wagame Airland Battle
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I remember liking SC2's Wings of Liberty Camapign despite not being a fan of the gameplay (not bad, just not my preference. CoH has spoiled RTS games for me) which means the campaign polish and structure was just so well done that i can overlook the gameplay style.
Wargame European Escalation had some really challenging scripted campaigns.
Wargame Airland Battle had a promising campaign map with interesting decisions you can make.
If they do a dynamic campaign, I definitely think they should take inspirations from Wagame Airland Battle
Strategic Map, Persistency, Call In Units, Make Difficult Event Decisions, and more.
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Osinyagov: Suddenly, coh2 is slowly dying, but you can play it, playerbase still big enough
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Willy Pete: @Rosbone not dead yet. when that happens the font will switch to Papyrus 
02 Apr 2025, 00:16 AM
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aerafield: yeah I already prepared my "Can't believe there's comic mode for the 10 daily visitors even on this April 1st" 
01 Apr 2025, 20:29 PM
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Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
01 Apr 2025, 02:36 AM
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Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
27 Mar 2025, 15:46 PM
27 Mar 2025, 15:46 PM
Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
27 Mar 2025, 09:30 AM
27 Mar 2025, 09:30 AM
Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy 
27 Mar 2025, 04:31 AM
27 Mar 2025, 04:31 AM
Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. .
24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
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Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:48 PM
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OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
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Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
Rosbone: @theekvn I dont hate Coh3 or Relic. I just dont understand how you work on Coh3 for like 7 years and the menu system is worse than if a Programming 101 student made it. Feel free to explain it to me.
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
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KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
06 Mar 2025, 16:35 PM
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aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
06 Mar 2025, 13:33 PM
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Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
06 Mar 2025, 12:13 PM
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OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked! 
06 Mar 2025, 10:49 AM
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Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. 
05 Mar 2025, 20:27 PM
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Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
04 Mar 2025, 02:58 AM
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Rosbone: But this last patch has made good progress for grabbing players. All we can hope is Coh3 gets to Coh2s quality level before everyone abandons the franchise. Its Relic so they will completely f*%k it up as usual. But its a hope/cope.
04 Mar 2025, 02:55 AM
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Rosbone: Relic wants Coh2 to fail so players will migrate to Coh3. It is hard to blame them since Coh3 sucks so bad. It needs all the help it can get.
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