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V1.0

We are happy to announce the December Balance Preview! Please note the changes below are NOT FINAL and will be undergoing weeks of iteration based on the community's feedback and extensive playtesting in the DBP Mod (which will be publicly available on the Steam Workshop later this week). For more info on what will be included in the December Update and the formerly suspended Fall Balance Preview, please check out our Blog.

For any feedback you have regarding the proposed changes below, make sure to post in out DBP Balance Feedback and DBP Bug thread located in the Balance Feedback section of the forums.

DBP Goals

Tune select underused / undervalued commanders to increase and diversify the number of viable strategies available in automatch
Tone down the effectiveness of some the Axisâ elite, heavy tanks to make them less spammable and dominant in team games
Tone down the squad wiping effectiveness of some over performing, off-map abilities
Adjust some of meta dominating units (primarily Soviet) to improve strategic / competitive diversity
Improve strategic diversity and quality of life by making minor adjustments to redundant, underused and generalist units
Primary Focus

Revitalizing 2 â 3 underused commanders for each faction (more info to come)
Continuing the work from the Fall Balance Previewâs highest rated changes
Secondary Focus

Adjustments to units dominating the current Soviet meta in competitive play
* Lend Lease Commander
* Maxims & Penals adjustments
* Conscripts

Adjustments to select heavy tanks that are currently over performing in team games
* OKW Panther V
* Elefant
* Jagdtiger

Adjustments to vet 4 and 5 of select OKW units that trade too cost effectively at higher veterancy (More info to come)

Adjustments to OKW and UKF Forward Retreat Points to come with a trade-off and become an interesting choice for the player rather than a guaranteed decision (primarily affects team games)
Adjustments to select Off-map abilities to reduce the effectiveness of frustrating, one-click squad wipes
General improvements to help with quality of life and strategic diversity
GENERAL

Blitzkrieg/Overdrive/War Speed/Step On It
* These movement boost abilities will now cease when the vehicle receives an engine critical.

Forward Retreat Points
* UKF FRP requires Company Command Post.
* OKW FRP requires either a Mechanized or Schwerer Panzer Headquarters established.
* OKW Battlegroup unable to reinforce if cut-off from friendly territory.
* Reinforcement cost increased by 20% while FRP ability is active
* 2 minute cooldown when FRP ability is deactivated

Sandbags and Ghosting
* All sandbags standardized to 240 health and 35 armor.
* Ostheer sandbags build-time from 60 to 45
* Units that have been in combat in the past 3 seconds will cause all unfinished enemy ghostbags within 4 radius to immediately deconstruct

Repair Speeds
USF Rear Echelon & British Royal Engineers:

Vet 0 repair speed reduced from 2 to 1.6
Vet 2 repair bonus decreased from 1 to 0.5
Heavy Sapper upgrade (sappers only) decreases repair speed from 2 to 0.525
Sturmpioneers

Vet 0 repair decreased from 3 to 2
Squad Behaviour
* Added a squad AI behaviour where individual models in squads assume varying postures while fighting the enemy (without changing their position) - i.e. Elite squads will prefer a crouching animation for some of their members, whereas non-elite squads will also drop prone to the ground.
* Fixed a disparity where low-member squads also suffered from the most densely-packed formations (making them even more vulnerable to AoE weapons)
* Assist each squad in their role (e.g., the new reinforced wedge formation will make paratrooper squads always have their thompsons at the front line) - Make each squad feel more unique
* Squad formations are now, once again, more fluid while the squad is moving. In addition to improving immersion, this will also help the individual squads spread out better to make a better use of their formations.
* Allied squads once again, assign support weapons (e.g., bazookas) to flanks rather than the core of the formation

Smoke Barrages
* Activating smoke barrages will now only order one unit at a time. Previously if multiple mortars were selected, all units would fire smoke at the target position

Fuel and Munition Caches
* MP cost increased from 200 to 250

_Garrisoning _
* Load time for buildings increased to 1 (per model)
* Max load time increased to 3.25 (entire squad)
* Unload time for buildings increased to 0.5 (per model)

OKW

Kubelwagon
To decrease the manpower bleed the Kubelwagon can inflict in the early game (primarily vs USF), we have made the following changes:

Decrease rear armor from 4.5 to 1.6
Decrease front armor from 4.5 to 3.5
Increase health form 190 to 240
Jagdtiger
To decrease the on field dominance of the Jagdtiger against Allied tanks, the unit has received the following changes. To help keep the unit useful vs infantry, the Supporting Fire ability has received some performance enhancements.

Damage reduced from 320 to 300
Accuracy reduced from 0.06/0.05/0.04 to 0.055/0.045/0.03
Range reduced from 85 to 80
Supporting Fire range reduced from 125 to 95
Engine upgrade rotation bonus removed
Pop-cap increased from 21 to 23
Supporting Fire ability now available at Vet 0
Vet 1 replaced with Supporting Fire Barrage shells increased from 3 to 5
Supporting fire changes:

No longer collides with terrain
Mid distance from 2.25 to 1.5
Angle scatter from 6 to 8
Distance scatter max from 8.4 to 10
Distance scatter offset from 0.1 to 0
Panther V
As arguably the best non-doctrinal heavy tank in COH2, we felt that the unit offered too much benefit to spam and was increasingly dominate when produced in numbers. To encourage players to diversify their late game tech, we have made the following changes:

Pop-cap increased from 16 to 18
Decreased moving accuracy from 0.65 to 0.5
Increased moving scatter from 1.7 to 2
Vet 2 +10 % armor bonus removed (also affects command Panther)
Combat Blitz

+100% accuracy bonus reduced to +20% (affects all OKW vehicles)
Sturmtiger
* Abandon critical now only occurs from ballistic weapons
* The Sturmtiger Abandon Critical while reloading chance reduced from 50% to 25%
* Damage reduced from 640 to 580
* Manpower cost increased from 560 to 620
* Fuel cost increased from 160 to 180
* Population cost increased from 18 to 20
* All random critical types removed except for vehicle stun

Le.ig
* Now has access to a smoke barrage ability

WEHRMACHT

Elefant
Damage has been reduced to prevent the Elefant from two-shotting most Allied tanks.

Damage from 320 to 300
Pop-cap increased from 20 to 22
Panther V
Unlike the OKW Panther, we feel the OST Panther is more or less in a good spot. However, the make it somewhat more reliable in combat, the variable reload time of the main gun has been reduced.

Pop-cap increased from 16 to 18
Vet 2 +10 % armor bonus removed
Reload time decreased from 5.8 - 6.7 to 5.2 - 5.6 (reload time does not include wind-up)
Stuka Dive Bomb
* Increase AoE damage multiplier from 1/0.35/0.05 to 1/0.35/0.08
* Increased Munitions cost from 160 to 200
* Removed critical hit modifier

Stuka close air support
* CAS loiter no longer deals deflection/penetration criticals on attacked vehicles

SOVIET

M4C Sherman
The M4C Sherman has been tied to Soviet Tier 4 tech to prevent it from being spammed and to encourage players to diversify their tech.

Now required the Mechanized Armor Kompenya to be constructed.
CP cost decreased to 0
Penal
The Penal Squad has received some minor adjustments to bring it more in line with its cost and to reduce its effectiveness as a powerful generalist unit by offering a more distinct choice between anti-infantry and anti-vehicle.

Moving cooldown from 0.5 to 0.75.
Reinforce cost increased from 25 to 27
Veterancy requirements increased from 540/1080/2160 to 640/1280/2560.
Regular Satchels no longer collide with vehicles.
Targeted Anti-Vehicle Satchels now require the PTRS upgrade.
Targeted Anti-Vehicle Satchels will continue to track targets, even after they have moved out of range.
Fixed an issue where Targeted Anti-Vehicle Satchels would deal high damage to passengers onboard vehicles.
Fixed an issue where satchels were dealing more damage to friendly infantry than enemy infantry.
PTRS Ready Aim Time reduced from 2 to 1.25 (affects all PTRS variants)
Dshka
The Dshka HMG has proved to be exceedingly cost effective and thus the adjustments made to the unit below will bring it more in line with its performance and make it less of a spammable unit.

Increased reinforcement cost for vanilla crew from 15 to 20.
Traverse speed decreased from 90 to 38
Suppression decreased from 0.00044 to 0.00030.
Rate of fire multiplier decreased from 2.1/1.5/0.9 to 1.3/1.15/0.9.
Setup time increased from 2 to 2.25.
Fire aim time from 0.125/1 to 0.125 - 0.5.
Ready aim time from 0.375-0.5 to 0.25
Population from 6 to 7
Maxim
To make some slight performance improvements to the Maxim HMG, the following changes have been made:

Suppression from 0.00006 to 0.000065.
Nearby suppression from 1.25 to 1.
Ready-Aim Time to 0.125.
Fire-Aim Time to 0.125.
Fire-Aim Time multipliers standardized to 0.5.
Maxim Suppression Intel Bulletin

Suppression bonus reduced from +5% to +1%
Conscript
To make Conscript squads scale better into the mid to late game, as well as, be able to trade better vs comparable Axis squads such as Volksgrenadiers, the following changes have been made:

Damage from 16 to 12
Accuracy from 0.541/0.495/0.334 to 0.7182821/0.6598548/0.55654425
Near range increased from 0 to 10
PPSH accuracy from reduced from 0.621/0.43/0.2 to 0.5645455/0.3909091/0.181818
Molotov upgrade has been merged with the Anti-tank upgrade at the HQ
Veterancy changes:

Vet1: Added a Received Accuracy modifier of 0.92
Vet2: Molotov range replaced with increased Molotov throw speed
Vet3: Reduced Received accuracy modifier modifier from 0.6 to 0.707
ISU-152
To make the ISU more accessible, in-line with its cost and less dominated vs other super heavy tanks such as the Jagdtiger, the following changes have been made.

Armor increased from 310 to 340
MP cost decreased from 720 to 680
HE Far damage increased from 0.05 to 0.15.
HE AOE Distances decreased from 1.25/2.75/4.5 to 0.25/1.5/6.
Concrete-Piercing and HE rounds can now bypass landscape/terrain.
Scatter Distance max increased from 8.7 to 10.
Angle scatter increased from 5 to 6.5.
AP Shells deal 50% deflection

USF

Calliope
To bring the Calliope more in line with other mobile artillery and less dominant at mid to short range, the following changes have been made:

Pop-cap increased 16
Delay between rockets fired of 0.125 added
Near AOE increased from 0.5 to 0.75
Removal of Reload Frequency
HP decreased from 640 to 480
Priest
The Priest has received the following changes to make it less abusive and spammable in team games.

Mid AOE from 0.15 to 0.28
Creeping Barrage weapon now shares the same stats as the standard barrage weapon.
Population decreased from 16 to 15.
Can no longer be de-crewed.
Jackson
The Jackson has received a slight buff to its health to allow players to be a bit more aggressive and utilize its speed to perform more hit and run tactics. Cost increased to match performance.

Health increased from 480 to 640
Fuel increased from 125 to 140
Manpower increased from 350 to 400
Rear- Echelons / Riflemen
To improve Rear Echelons as a support unit and improve their usefulness at different stages of a match, the following changes have been made:

Smoke moved from Riflemen to Rear Echelon (Lieutenant retains smoke)
Now have access to the Light M7 mine at a cost of 15 Munitions per mine

BRITISH

British Trench
* British Trench now capturable by enemy troops
* Cost reduced from 10 MP to 0 (free)
* Can only be built in captured territory (also affects OST trench)

Firefly
Due to the Firefly's range and accuracy, when combined with the Comet or when multiple Firefly's are fielded, this combination of tank power can prove to be overly dominate (primarily in team games). To compensate, the following changes have been made:

Accuracy from 0.08/0.07/0.05 to 0.06/0.05/0.4
Moving accuracy from 0.75 to 0.55
Tulips no longer cancels move commands upon stun when hit
Tulips now deal 33% damage versus infantry.
Mortar Pit
* Now has access to smoke barrage at Vet 0
* Vet 1 reduces smoke barrage cooldown

BUG FIXES & Quality of Life Changes

Fixed an issue where several vehice units would prefer moving backwards than forwards. Backwards movement in right-click mode will only be engaged if reverse yields a significantly faster path.
Fixed an issue where remanned howitzer crewmembers would cost more to reinforce
Fixed an issue where certain infantry models were immune to death from flame weapons
Pak43 and 17 pounder now have Prioritise Vehicles permanently on
Grenadier LMG 42 now uses the proper upgrade icon.
Maxim Sustained Fire now uses the proper ability icon.
KV-8 Call-In ability now uses the proper unit icon.
Soviet and USF ATGs are no longer slowed by cover to match their Axis and British counterparts.
Soviet Roks 3 no longer has higher aim-times compared to other flamethrowers
Fixed an issue where Hold Fire would not work properly on mortars/Le.IG and the Pack Howitzer
Fixed an issue where the Veterancy 1 Soviet mortar flare ability would sometimes not trigger
120mm Mortar flare ability not matching the weaponâs auto-fire range
Fixed an issue where the T-34 Ram ability would stun on deflection, but not on penetration.
Fixed an issue when 250 LMG Grenadiers did not have penalties when constructing objects and gained increased range on their grenade with veterancy
Fixed an issue where the AI would not upgrade healing or repairs for their respective structures.
Fixed an issue with infantry handheld AT weapons would not properly apply death criticals to vehicles when the target reaches 0% health.
Fixed an issue where the Bulldozer would fire less smoke rounds compared to the regular Sherman.
Fixed an issue where officer cost and reinforce times did not match with the rest of their squad.
Fixed an issue where Firefly tulips could apply their effects on infantry.
The Priest no longer requires 4 models to recrew. Now requires 3.
Fixed an issue where M2HBs and Dshka HMGs could not be targeted when abandoned.
Fixed an issue where certain infantry units awarded more experience than their actual entity cost would imply.
Fixed an issue where SU-85 Focus Sight and T-70 Recon abilities were not properly highlighted when on cooldown.
Fixed an issue where certain units could âdouble shotâ.
Fixed an issue where certain MGs could not be upgraded with Ambush Camouflage when captured.
Fixed an issue where Ambush Camouflage did not properly apply at 1 CP. [An increase in CPs does not affect how the upgrade ambush camouflage is being applied to units.]
Fixed an issue where the Grenadier 250 Half-Track was 7 population versus the 5 of the Panzergrenadier 250 Half-Track.
Fixed an issue where Commandos previously took too long to regain their ambush bonuses when out of combat.
Fixed an issue where it was possible to hide the Sturmtiger aiming its shell.
Fixed an issue that the Soviet Sniper would camouflage when only a single model was in cover.
Fixed a UI issue where the building preview was displaying longer MG weapon range than the actual one. This applies to Bunkers and Fighting Positions. (Seems fine on Bunkers, Fighting Pits has more range then UI indicates)
Fixed an issue where pinned squads under the effects of Raid Operation would be able to capture points with the ability on.
Fixed an issue where it was not possible to access the same abilities between certain units. This includes, Lieutenants, Sappers and Tommies.
Fixed an issue where machine guns that had the Ambush Camouflage Hold-Fire ability active upon death would not auto-acquire targets when they were recrewed.
Fixed an issue where the Bofors Barrage would continue, even if the Bofors lost its garrison bonus.
Fixed an issue where Mortar Pit Smoke Barrages left gaps within in its creeping barrage.
Fixed an issue where certain team weapons sometimes could have suppression modifiers permanently attached.
Fixed an issue where certain veterancy bonuses would not apply correctly to certain MGs and certain mortars
Fixed an issue where demo charges would deal double damage if detonated by weaponsâ fire.
Fixed an issue where it was possible to stack multiple booby traps together on the same location.
Fixed an issue where Prioritise vehicles would, sometimes, not show when multiple AT guns were selected together
Emplacement range is now visible both when setting up and after they have been built
Fixed Hammer vehicle tracking (wouldnât refresh properly); duration decreased from 15 secs to 7 secs to compensate
Recovery Sappers (UKF doctrinal) can now upgrade to heavy sappers and build structures, like vanilla sappers (QoL)
Fixed an issue where some infantry squad models would cost more than 1 popcap (affected recrewed AT guns)
Fixed an issue where OKW starting weapon crew stats were superior to other faction weapon crews, and on-par with mainline infantry
Increased medic search radius for MedHQ and made it impossible for players to place it too close to pathblocking objects (to prevent squads from being stuck)

V1.1

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DBP V1.1 UPDATE

In light of recent feedback, our goals and the direction we would like to take the existing changes in the DBP, we have made the following changes to the DBP mod prior to release. The DBP mod is now available for download on the Steam Workshop. As always, please play the mod and give us your feedback in the Balance Feedback section of the forums.

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WEHRMACHT

Tech Cost Restructuring
To allow Wehrmacht players to explore more diverse build orders and have access to a more versatile roster we have moved the majority of tech costs from Tier 3 and 4 buildings to Battle Phase 2. This change does not affect the amount of required resource to unlock T3 or T4 directly, however, it does allow players to better adapt their strategies in the late game by making teching to T4 from T3 or back-teching from T4 to T3 a viable option.

Battle Phase 2 costs increased from 100MP/45FU to 200MP/90FU
Battle Phase 3 costs decreased from 100MP/45FU to 100MP/25FU
Support Armor Korps costs decreased from 240MP/60FU to 140MP/15FU
Heavy Panzer Korps costs decreased from 200MP/50 to 100MP/25FU

OKW

Sturmpioneer
We are toning down the efficiency of Vet 0 repair speed (with or without the minesweeper) to further promote aggression and risk-taking, much like for the Soviet and Wehrmacht factions (i.e., keep the engineers in the front line so that they can accumulate veterancy, as opposed to keeping them safe).

Sturmpioneers are receiving a reduction to their repair speed to better match other factions. Their veterancy 0 repair speed with or without the minesweeper has been reduced to promote aggression with Sturmpioneers to vet up.

Base Repair speed to 2
Veterancy 2 Repair rate to 0.75
Minesweeper Repair rate to 25% rather than a flat bonus of 1.
Vet0 repair: 2
Vet2 repair: 0.75
Minesweeper repair: +25% (so that its power is spread more evenly between stock and vet)
Panther V
Due to the performance reductions noted in V1.0 of the DBP changelog, the Panther V has received a fuel cost reduction to bring its performance better in-line with its value.

Fuel cost from 200 to 185
Combat Blitz
We are changing Combat Blitz to bring it more in line with similar abilities (e.g., Blitzkrieg/Emergency Warspeed). The changes will make it so that Combat Blitz remains a valuable asset to be used offensively. However, it will not be able to be used as readily to retreat.

Received accuracy modifier increased from 0.5 to 0.75 (to match Wehrmacht variant)
Now increases main gun reload speed by 25% (even when not moving)
Speed bonus for Panther/Command Panther/King Tiger decreased from +40% to +20%

USF

Jackson
* Jackson moving accuracy from 0.75 to 0.65 (affects all guns)

Rear Echelon
The received accuracy penalty for Volley-Fire is being reduced to allow this ability to be viable in more situations when Rear Echelon come under-fire. This allows Rear Echelon in cover to suppress approaching troops without taking high amounts of damage in return.

Volley-Fire Received Accuracy Penalty from 40% to 15%.
USF Mortar
* Smoke barrage range increased from 65 to 80
* Vet 1 smoke barrage range increase removed
* Vet 1 decreases cooldown of smoke barrage by 25%

Firefly
* Vet 3 damage bonus reduced from +80 to +40

Bug Fixes & Quality of LIfe

Crocodile main-cannon will now respond to attack commands. Added Hold Fire and Prioritise Vehicles abilities that the main cannon can benefit from.
A number of issues have been fixed revolving around the glider should it crash-land. The Headquarters Glider will now also be able to rebuild the Airlanding Officer should the unit be destroyed.
We are reducing the amount of unnecessary clicks surrounding stealth abilities by allowing the following units to move at their full speed when they have been revealed whilst the ability is still active:
Raketenwerfer
Doctrinal Soviet AT gun ability
Jagdpanzer4
Luchs
Half-tracks are being given slightly more utility by allowing them to transport the majority of weapon teams. Do note weapon teams will not fire their crewed weapons out of open-topped half-tracks.
Model 24 Stun Grenades
We are fixing a couple issues with the German Stun Grenades while maintaining their current functionality.

Stunned squads are immobilized for the duration of the 5 second stun.
Fixed an issue where stun nades would permanently break team weapons
This affects both OKW stun nades and OST stun nades
Target Weak Point/Treadshot (Quality of Life)
This change affects the mode of operation for TWP that applies to StuG Gs, Pak guns, Pumas and the Elefant. Target Weak Point should now only fire one shot, but the player has more time to aim the ability and can be used on the move.
Target Weak Point now last for 10 seconds or until the unit fires its first shot while using this ability.
Activating the ability forces the unit to reload before being able to fire
The similar-to-operate AEC treadshot ability behaves in a similar way (2 shots within 15 seconds)

V1.3

DBP V1.3 UPDATE

The December Balance Preview is off to a good start and the community's feedback has been incredibly helpful as we work on fine tuning these changes throughout the remainder of the iteration period. In this update we changed focus to look at various elite infantry units and potential over performing bonuses acquired through veterancy. The following proposed changes is aimed to help within infantry scaling for various factions.

Commander Revamp Update

As the Commander Revamp survey has now closed, we are excited to announce which commanders we will be looking at revitalize in the December Update. We hope to complete our first pass on the proposed changes to the commanders listed below will before the end of next week. Similar to all Balance Preview changes, the Commander Revamp changes will be available to test in the DBP Mod when the changes are ready to go.

Commander Revamp Commanders
* (USF) Recon Support Company
* (USF) Mechanized Company
* (SOVIET) Tank Hunter Tactics
* (SOVIET) Guard Rifle Combined Arms Tactics
* (BRITISH) Royal Engineer Regiment
* (BRITISH) Commando Regiment
* (OKW) Feuersturm Doctrine
* (OKW) Luftwaffe Ground Forces Doctrine
* (WEHRMACHT) Jaeger Light Infantry
* (WEHRMACHT) Osttruppen Doctrine)

GENERAL

Infiltration Units
To give players a better chance to react to infiltration units and to reduce the number of guaranteed squad wipes caused by infiltration units, the following change has been made:

All abilities now start on cooldown (the default cooldown of the ability)
This affects:

Infiltration Commandos

Fallschirmjager
Partisans, both variants
Stormtroopers
JLI
Demo Charges
To give players an opportunity to react to activated demo charges and to reduce mass squads wipes of this weapon, the following changes have been made:

Demo Charges now have a 3s timer once activated (timer is visible to all players; similar to satchel)
Cost reduced from 90MU to 65MU
Garrisoning
We have made some fine tuning changes to garrisoning to make it feel more responsive and reduce squad wipes on building destruction.

Reduce unload time from 0.5 to 0.375 (per model)
Reduce load time from 1 to 0.75 (per model; 3.25 remains max per squad)
Reduced grenade damage vs buildings (the structure itself; not the units garrisoned inside)

USF

Rear Echelons
Volley-Fireâs potency is being reduced on weapon rack items to prevent Rear Echelon from immediately pinning down infantry in the late game if they are upgraded.

Toned down Volley fire for slot weapons; now all slot weapons gain a 0.0025 suppression that does not ramp up
Lowered suppression values for the BAR by 50% and the M1919 LMG by 70% when Volley-Fire is active.
Captain
âOn Me!â will no longer provide combat bonuses to better represent the abilities lack of munitions cost and to limit the power of blobbing infantry around the Captain. âOn Me!â will still break suppression and allow infantry to sprint to allow USF players to relocate units on the field.

Removed the weapon accuracy and received accuracy bonuses from âOn Me!â (it still breaks suppression and makes inf run faster)
M36 Jackson
The M36 is having its damage modified to make it less potent in terms of burst damage against lower health vehicles while becoming more reliable vs heavy tanks (HVAP rounds remain unchanged).

Damage from 200 to 160
Penetration from 240/220/200 to 260/240/220

SOVIETS

Soviet Forward HQ (Commander Ability)
To make this ability less frustrating to counter while keeping it a viable option for Soviet players, the following changes have been made:

Requires structure to be in connected territory.
+50% damage converted to+25% accuracy
Armor modifier from +50% to +25%
Reduced cost from 300MP/60FU to 250MP/40FU
For Mother Russia (Commander Ability)
The âFor Mother Russiaâ ability is having its potency reduced to bring it in-line with the recent changes to Conscripts.

+100% Armour bonus removed (accuracy and speed bonuses remain)
Duration reduced from 60 seconds to 30.
Conscripts
We are reverting the AT grenade and Moltov upgrade merge due to its cost effectiveness while making minor adjustments to some Conscript abilities.

Molotov cost from 15 to 20 (does not affect Partisans)
Tripwire cooldown from 0 to 30
AT Grenade upgrade and Molotov upgrade are once again separate
Molotov tech cost reduced from 125MP/15FU to 80MP/10FU
T-34/76
We are slightly increasing the cost of the T-34/76 to match its performance.

Fuel price increased from 80 to 90
PM-42 (Soviet T2 mortar)
The PM-42 Mortar will now have the âFlareâ ability from the start to provide vital scouting information and to give the Soviet mortar a more utility oriented role when it is deployed.

âFlareâ ability no longer requires veterancy
Veterancy 1 reduces âFlareâ recharge by 25%
ZiS-3 Divisional Field Gun (AT gun)
We are improving ZiS-3 access to its barrage ability to make up for its low rate of fire and limited penetration. This will emphasize ZiS-3âs secondary role as an indirect fire unit that can soften up enemy positions.

Popcap reduced from 9 to 7, to match its performance
Reduced cost of ZiS-3 barrage ability from 60MU to 35MU

WEHRMACHT

Grenadiers
Grenadiers are receiving a decrease to their population to better match their performance in comparison to other mainline infantry.

Popcap reduced from 7 to 6
Pak 40
The Pak 40 is having its population reduced to better match its performance with other anti-tank guns.

Popcap decreased from 9 to 8 to match actual performance
251 Flamethrowers
With the recent changes to garrisons, the 251 is getting a reduction to its damage against entrenched infantry to give players a chance to react and de-garrison.

Far-aoe reduced from 1 to 0.5 (only really affects anti-garrison damage)
Stug G
We found StuG Gâs âTarget Weakpointâ ability over performs for its cost while unit's machine gun lacked some needed defensive capabilities vs infantry. Thus, the following changes have been made:

TWP's main-gun disable reduced from 15 seconds to a blind critical that lasts 5 seconds.
TWP's damage reduced to 50% (to account for guaranteed penetration)
MG cost reduced from 50 to 35
MG range increased from 35 to 40
Ostwind
The Ostwind is being improved to make it more consistent and reliable as an anti-infantry platform (regardless of map) while still able to chip away at armoured vehicles.

Projectile no longer collides with terrain
Distance scatter max increased from 2.9 to 3.5
AOE distance reduced from 1/1.25/1.5 to 0.5/1.5/2 (to compensate for projectile changes)
AOE damage reduced from 1/0.15/0.05 to 0.8/0.2/0.1 (to compensate for projectile changes)
Cost reduced from 100FU to 90FU (does not affect the OKW version)
Penetration increased from 45/40/35 to 55/50/45
Max range increased from 40 to 45
Tiger (does not affect Tiger Ace)
The Tiger is receiving mobility boosts to allow the Tiger to navigate the battlefield more easily and disengage from threats such as anti-tank guns or tank destroyers.

Speed from 4.7 to 5.2
Acceleration from 1.5 to 1.8.
Deceleration from 1.8 to 2
Popcap increased from 19 to 20
Panzer IV
To allow the Panzer IV to better combat medium tanks at a distance where it has the advantage of stronger frontal armour and rate of fire, the unit is receiving a slight penetration increase.

Penetration increased from 120/110/100 to 125/115/110
Fuel cost reduced from 125 to 120
Panther V
Now in an even better spot.

Coaxial and hull MGs performance improved to now match that of OKW Panther
Elefant
Given the Elefantâs role as a dedicated anti-armour vehicle, its accuracy is being increased to improve reliability at range.

Accuracy increased from 0.05/0.375/0.025 to 0.055/0.045/0.03
**JU87 Close Air Support Loiter (Commander Ability) **
We are slightly lowering the damage of the JU-87 to ensure it remains a potent ability, but is no longer capable of outright destroying medium tanks in a single pass.

JU87 Loiter damage reduction from 60 to 50

OKW

Sturmpioneers
We are increasing the viability of Sturmpioneers to allow them to better support the rest of OKW army in a combat role.

Reinforce time decreased from 10s to 7s.
Build time decreased from 40s to 28s.
Population cost decreased from 9 to 8
Panzerschreck price decreased from 90 to 70
Veterancy Changes

Veterancy 4 -23% Received Accuracy and +15% accuracy bonuses removed
Veterancy 5 +40% weapon accuracy moved to Veterancy 4 (Vet 5 bonus of no longer taking extra damage while repairing remains)
Veterancy requirements reduced to 580/1160/2320/2900/3770 (approximately a 10% reduction)
Base Flak Defenses
We are removing the OKW's free Anti-air capabilities to bring their AA better in-line with other factions.

Can no longer fire at air targets
Schwerer Panzer Headquarters
Due to the nature of the Panzer Headquarters flak cannon, we are limiting its ability to shut down aerial-based abilities without some form of trade-off.

No longer automatically engages aircraft
Now has an Anti Air ability which activates AA mode for 60 seconds (while active it can engage both ground and air targets). After AA ability finishes, the gun will go on a cooldown for 60s where it can not engage any targets (air or ground)
Stuka
We are adjusting the performance of the Stuka to prevent it from destroying team weapons and buildings in a single attack while making it more vulnerable to flanks and assaulting tanks.

Damage vs team weapons reduced by ~50% (affects the weapon, not the squad)
Damage vs Garrison buildings reduced by 50% (affects the building, not garrisoned squads)
HP reduced from 320 to 160
Panzer II âLuchsâ
The following changes aims to reduce the Luchs potency vs vehicles and further define its role as an anti-infantry unit.

Moving scatter penalties increased from 1.25 to 2
Target table modifier vs vehicles of 0.0625 added
Volksgrenadiers
We found that high veterancy and upgraded Volksgrenadiers scaled too well vs other core infantry and overshadowed much of the OKW's own elite infantry. To compensate for this, the following changes have been made:

Flame grenade now unlocked when the first sWS Supply Half-track hits the field
Flame grenade now has a 0.75s timer on explosion
Faust price reduced from 30 to 25
Veterancy Changes

Veterancy 3 Received Accuracy bonus increased from 0.9 0.86
Volks require cover and to be stationary to benefit from their Vet 4 sight bonus
Vet 3's passive healing ability moved to Vet 5
All combat bonuses from Vet 4 and Vet 5 (+15% accuracy bonus & -20% weapon cooldown)
Sturmtiger
The Sturmtiger is being further adjusted to limit its ability to hide in the FOW and destroy units without being seen. In return, we are improving aspects of the Sturmtiger's defensive capabilities to compensate.

Popcap reverted from 20 to 18
Sturmtiger can no longer fire through buildings (Buildings now act as shot blockers)
Range reduced from 45 to 40
Reload duration decreased from 50 seconds to 40 seconds
Veterancy requirements decreased by 33%
Veterancy 1 grenade far damage increased from 0.05 to 0.25, radius decreased from 5 to 4.5, and AOE penetration decreased from 23 to 15
Le.IG 18
The Le.IG is being tuned to require more player input to be used effectively. In return we are boosting its damage against ambient structures improving its support and anti-garrison ability.

Auto-attack range decreased from 100 to 85
Autoattack range bonus removed from Veterancy 1
Anti-structure damage increased (from 1/0.5/0.25 to 2/0.3/0.15)
HE Barrage recharge time increased from 30 secs to 40 secs
Smoke barrage recharge time independent from HE barrage
Intel Bulletin for barrage recharge lowered from -25% recharge to -10% recharge
Kubel
The Kubelwagenâs armour is being slightly adjusted to make the Kubel more vulnerable to strikes from the front, but slightly less vulnerable to flanks. The previous changes to hitpoint and armour meant a Kubelwagen could still cost-effectively duel most infantry units in the field during the early game.

Front armour further reduced from 3.5 to 3
Rear armour partially reverted from 1.6 to 1.9
Panzer IV
We want to make OKW Panzer IV to be slightly less vulnerable to infantry rushes and more effective in a generalist anti-infantry / anti-tank role. To accomplish this, the following changes have been made:

Cost changed from 360MP/150FU to 380MP/140FU
Population cost increased from 12 to 14
Scatter improved from 7.5/6.4 (angle/distance) to 6.5/5.54
Penetration increased from 120/110/100 to 125/115/110
Veterancy Changes

Veterancy 2 scatter veterancy increased from 0.75 to 0.866
Veterancy 4 range bonus removed (scatter bonus remains)
Veterancy 5 - Panzer IV must be stationary to benefit from sight bonus (similar to spotting scopes)
Panther V
We are adjusting OKW Panther veterancy to be more manageable for the opposing player at its later levels.

Veterancy 4 range bonus removed (scatter bonus remains)
Veterancy 5 - Panther V must be stationary to benefit from sight bonus (similar to spotting scopes)
King Tiger
The KT has received a slight adjustment to its veterancy 4 to help prevent it from out scaling opposing players.

Vet 4 range bonus removed (scatter bonus remains)
Pazerfusiliers
The following changes aim to put Panzerfusilliers on-par with other, similar infantry in the late game and encourage the use of flares for increased sight.

Population from 6 to 8
G43 upgrade sight range from +50% to +20% (from 52.5 to 42)
Veterancy 4 +15% accuracy changed to +15% capture and decapture rate.
Obersoldaten
Obersoldaten are being made more accessible through a number of changes with only some adjustment regarding their late game veterancy to prevent them from them out scaling counterpart infantry units.

Cost reduced from 400 to 340
LMG34 and Stg44 munitions cost increased from 60 to 80
Reduce reinforcement time from 12.5+ to 9
Built-time from decreased from 50 seconds to 36s.
Reduce popcap reduced from 10 to 9
Veterancy 4 received accuracy bonus removed
Veterancy 4 suppression bonus converted to âSuppressive Fire abilityâ
FallschirmjÃ¤ger
Fallschirmjager are being adjusted to have better stock performance with only minor changes to their veterancy. Population is also being adjusted to match other Axis elite squads.

RA improved from 0.87 to 0.83
Veterancy 3 received accuracy bonus removed
Population from 8 to 9
Can now camouflage in cover when stationary without veterancy
JP4
We feel that the Jagdpanzers veterancy bonuses made it scale too well and become too lethal at higher veterancy. To reduce its lethality while keeping it an effective Tank Destroyer we've made the following changes:

Increase range from which it can be detected from 10 to 20
Veterancy Changes

Veterancy 2 armour and sight bonus removed
Vet 2 now increases accuracy by 20%
Veterancy 5 ambush damage/accuracy/pen bonus reduced from +150% to +25%
Raketenwerfer
To make the Raketen more reliable and consistent while bringing its stealth better in-line with other stealthed units, we've made the following changes:

Vet 1 speed bonus when stealthed reduced from +100% to +25%
Projectile now ignores terrain
Raketenwerfer can no longer be suppressed

BRITISH

PIATs
Due to the British's lack of snares and difficult competing against light vehicle rushes, the following changes have been made to the PIAT.

Range increased from 30 to 35
Far accuracy decreased from 0.038 to 0.025
Mid-range increased from 15 to 25
Trenches
* Trench target size now significantly increases when they are abandoned (to allow tanks/AT to clear and destroy)

Mortar pit
To bring the counter play between the Mortar Pit and LeIG in-line, we have made the following changes:

Mortar Pit auto-attack range decreased from 115 to 90
HE/smoke barrage cooldown decreased from 75 to 40 seconds
Smoke barrage on independent cooldown form HE barrage

BUG FIXES & QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES

Fixed issue where USF grenade bulletins were not applying to Rear Echelon smoke
Readjusted pathfinding
Remove forced movement from Commando squads that have recently deployed (makes squads ignore orders)
Removed Tank Elite Armor, Tank Commander arty from firing into the base
Assault Engineer/Paratrooper minelaying speed too low
Changed Ostruppen cover bonus indicator. Instead of an overhead crosshair indicator, Ostruppen cover bonus displays in the same way as the Tommy cover bonus indicator
Increase duration of TWP-like abilities, to match initial delay
Added a warning line for Stun Grenades

V1.4

DBP V1.4 "THE BRITISH" UPDATE

The V1.4 Update continues with some minor iterations to the Soviet, USF, OKW and Wehrmacht as well as some significant changes to the British Forces.

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GENERAL

Demo Charges
* Can no longer be planted on territory points
* Fuse timer change reverted
* Demo charges are now revealed by all units within 7m.

SOVIET

Conscripts
In light of the recent changes made to Conscripts, to prevent them from scaling too well at higher veterancy with picked up weapon upgrades, the following change has been made:

Max number of slot weapons reduced from 2 to 1
IS-2
To make the IS-2 more reliable at range, the following changes have been made:

Scatter offset decreased from 0.25 to 0.185
Far AOE increased from 0.05 to 0.1

WEHRMACHT

Ostwind
Due to the recent performance enhancements made to the Ostwind, we reverting the range increase to make it slightly more vulnerable.

Range reverted from 45 to 40

OKW

Le.IG
To further increase the required management of the unit, the following changes have been made:

Auto-attack range reduced from 85 to 80
Veterancy Changes

Veterancy 3 smoke recharge moved to veterancy 2

Movement speed bonus removed from veterancy 2 (Received Accuracy bonus remains)
Number of extra barrage shells received from veterancy reduced from +4 to +1

USF

Captain On Me
To prevent the "get out of jail free card" this ability provides to blobbing, the following changes have been made:

Previous changes reverted
Player can now only target one unit within a 25m radius of the Captain
Now has a 45 second cooldown
M36 Jackson Tank Destroyer
To improve the Jackson's tank hunter capabilities, the following changes have been made:

Moving accuracy changes reverted for main gun and HVAP.
Main gun reload from 5.2/5.8 to 4.375/4.975 (Note - Jackson still retains its wind-up and wind down delays of 1.125/0.5)
Veterancy 3 reload bonus reduced from 30% to 15%

BRITISH

UKF Artillery Commander Concentration barrage
* Can no longer fire through the FOW
* Now always fires Airburst shells, regardless of Anvil tech

Emplacements
To increase vulnerability of emplacement to their counters, the following changes have been made:

Brace duration reduced from 30 secs to 20 secs
Incoming repairs reduced by 75% while brace is active
Mortar pit
* Garrison bonus changed from reload bonus to barrage recharge bonus (-25% recharge)
* Mortar Pit autoattack reduced from 90 to 85

Forward Assembly
To increase diversity and utility of the FA while decreasing the benefits of emplacement clumping, the following changes have been made:

Emplacement aura removed
Cost reduced from 250MP to 200MP
Can upgrade Medics that provide passive healing for 50MP/60MU
Advanced Fortifications removed
Medic upgrade, Forward retreat upgrade and Repair station upgrade are mutually exclusive
Repair engineers (passive) can no longer repair their own repair station
17-pounder
* Popcap reduced from 20 to 14
* Arc indicator added
* No longer possible to garrison the 17-pounder
* Reload speed normalized from 5 - 7 to 5.5
* Flares from garrison bonus to veterancy 1.
* Piercing rounds moved from Vet 1 to Vet 0

Tommies (also affects Tank Hunter Infantry Sections)
We feel that Tommies come out of the gate with too much raw power but also lack the offensive ability to effectively assault a position. Therefore, to make Tommies feel more reliable and to improve their consistency on the battlefield, we've made the following changes:

Moving accuracy modifier increased from 0.25 to 0.35
Vet 0 Received Accuracy reduced from 0.8 to 0.9
Scoped Enfields Vet 3 bonus removed (this causes Tommies to drop their Bren guns, even though enough models are alive)
Bren gun reload time decreased from 8-9 secs to 6.5 secs
Population cap reduced to 6 from 7 (Becomes 7 at 5-man)
Increased cone of fire from 1 to 5
British Infantry Cover bonus
* Sappers, Sniper and Commandos no longer gain -10% RA bonus when in cover

Sappers
We felt that Sappers scaled too well and become too cost effective as the game progressed compared to the British's mainline infantry. To compensate for this, the following changes have been made:

Target size increased from 0.8 to 0.9
Veterancy 3 reinforcement bonus reduced from -20% to -10% (-6MP to -3MP) (Received Accuracy bonus remains)
Popcap reduced from 6 to 5 (Becomes 6 with 5 man squads)
Anvil
To increase the appeal of Anvil to be more on par with Hammer and to bring its cost better in-line with its benefits / performance, the following changes have been made:

Heavy Sappers
* Movement speed penalty reduced from -50% to -25%
* Armor bonus reduced from +1 to +0.25

Churchill
* Population cap reduced from 18 to 16
* Smoke projector speed penalty removed
* Veterancy 1 side-hatch SMGs moving accuracy penalties increased from 0.5 to 0.85.

Airburst shells
* Now fire at randomized intervals between 5-10 seconds
* Now have a 15 radius scatter

Heavy Gammon Bomb
To make the Heavy Gammon Bomb a better building clearing tool and more in-line with the Satchel charge, the following changes have been made:

Cost reduced from 75MU to 50MU
Damage increased from 200 to 340
AOE distance decreased from 1.5/3/4.5 to 1.25/2.5/3.75
Crocodile
To brine the Crocodile's performance better in-line with its cost, the following changes have been made:

Rotation rate reduced from 35 to 30
Popcap increased from 18 to 20
HP decreased from 1400 to 1080
Armour increase from 240 to 290
Crocodile damage output decrease by 30% (flamer to 7/ flamesweep to 6)
Flamethrower range normalized from 25/39 to 32
Centaur
We felt that the Centaur lacked needed anti-garrison abilities and suffered from low mobility which made the unit ineffective on certain maps. To resolve theses issues, the following changes have been made:

Garrison table modifiers changed from 0.4 accuracy and 0.5 damage to 0.5 accuracy and 0.35 damage
Damage all in hold modifier from false to true (All models in the building will take Far AOE damage)
Acceleration increased from 1.5 to 1.8
Speed increased from 4.6 to 5.2
25 Pounder (Base Howitzers)
We are changing 25 pounders so that they become effective as a fast-response artillery that can be used to negate buildings or take down enemy emplacements. Airburst changes make it so that teching Anvil will allow the 25 pounder barrage to also double as an area-denial ability.

Damage

First Howitzer now fires 4 shells from 6
Second Howitzer now fires 5 shells from 6.
Reload decreased from 4.7 to 4
Now always penetrates
Now does 75% extra damage against team weapons.
AOE damage to friendlies from 0.025 to 1/0.25/0.1
Scatter

First howitzer has 0 angle scatter and 5 scatter-max and 1 scatter-ratio
Second howitzer has 7.5 angle scatter, 12 scatter-max and 1 scatter-ratio
Airburst shells have a randomized 3-10 second interval between them and come with increased scatter radius (from 7 to 20 radius)
Responsiveness

Horizontal and vertical rotation rate increased from 25 to 40
Shell speed increased from 29 to 40
Usage/Cooldown

Cooldown decreased from 150s to 80s
Suppression reduces howitzer flare throw range by 33%.

For more details on the British Commander changes as part of the December Update's Commander Revamp, check out the December Commander Revamp Changelog.

BUG FIXES & QUALITY OF LIFE CHANGES

Fixed an issue where Walking Stuka barrages would not share cooldown
Volks flame grenade now available when truck hits the field (as advertised last update)
Tripwire flare cooldown fixed

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Where can players find a preview mod ?

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Too few changes.

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British Trench now capturable by enemy troops
* Cost reduced from 10 MP to 0 (free)
* Can only be built in captured territory (also affects OST trench)

Ostruppen, and Wehr sniper and HMG *clap hands*

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With resounding consistency: Excellent list of general changes affecting all factions, QoL changes, and bug fixes.

Conscript molotov-AT merge I like... Opens the door for the third ability. Are the PPsh changes foreshadowing of a non-doc PPsh upgrade, perchance?

Obliterating that Lend-Lease meta.

But man, the panther changes.

Increasing pop cap though? At least no one can say that the OKW Panther is a good version of what the Ostheer panther should be like.

Nipped that argument in the bud. Poor Ostheer is paying a whole lot for a second faster reload on their panther.

But of course, getting that 640 health Jackson, come hell or high water. 520 or 560 I can understand. But 640 is just trolling, especially when reducing Elefant damage. Why not increase Sherman health to make it viable as a screening tank?

RE Mines. Kreygasm. I don't care that they're m7s. I'll take it.

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30 Oct 2017, 21:13 PMnigo

Too few changes.

That's because commander revamp changes and OKW veterancy changes are missing. We just need to make sure that we get baseline changes right, first, before everybody runs off to the revamped commanders.

You have a great idea that improves the QoL aspects of the game? Please, drop your idea here:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/57860/some-qol-suggestions

Check out Cruzz's DPS calculator:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8/view?usp=sharing
(Download the file, open it with your browser)

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OKW panther - "As arguably the best non-doctrinal heavy tank in COH2, we felt that the unit offered too much benefit to spam"

OST Panther - "we feel the OST Panther is more or less in a good spot"

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAA im dead.

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Smoke moved from Riflemen to Rear Echelon (Lieutenant retains smoke)

British Trench
* British Trench now capturable by enemy troops
* Cost reduced from 10 MP to 0 (free)
* Can only be built in captured territory (also affects OST trench)

LeIG18
* Now has access to a smoke barrage ability

No more retarded beta tactics in that number, thanks relic

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My initial thoughts and analysis in video form:

Very keen to play and cast in this patch please do so yourselves, if you get a good replay don't hesistate to upload it to the replay section, be sure to tag appropriately.

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We feel the Ostheer Panther is in a good spot?

Are you guys completely delusional? It is in the most expensive tier, in the most hard faction to play and can't fulfill its actual purpose. Overpriced as fuck.

You actually nerfed the Ostheer Panther? Hahahahahahaahahahahahahaha

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30 Oct 2017, 22:10 PMDangerous-Cloth

We feel the Ostheer Panther is in a good spot?

Are you guys completely delusional? It is in the most expensive tier, in the most hard faction to play and can't fulfill its actual purpose. Overpriced as fuck.

Yeah the Wehr panther is fine, in 1v1 and 2v2 from everything I've seen, like it's really well balanced neither OP or UP, just costly and kinda good...

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FRP nerf and commanders revamp? My wet dreams come true!

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Also an Info from Andy:

https://www.coh2.org/topic/64972/infos-to-the-major-december-patch

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30 Oct 2017, 22:12 PMA_E

Yeah the Wehr panther is fine, in 1v1 and 2v2 from everything I've seen, like it's really well balanced neither OP or UP, just costly and kinda good...

It will now never be seen in a 1v1. 18 pop cap that always misses, has a horrible reload, no armor bonus anymore and is in tier 4. Why on earth go for it?

Might as well cruise to Pak wall and tiger.

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30 Oct 2017, 22:16 PMDangerous-Cloth

It will now never be seen in a 1v1. 18 pop cap that always misses, has a horrible reload, no armor bonus anymore and is in tier 4. Why on earth go for it?

Might as well cruise to Pak wall and tiger.

Yeah I don't think these panther changes will make it into the finished state, they're excessive in general imo.

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30 Oct 2017, 22:16 PMDangerous-Cloth

It will now never be seen in a 1v1. 18 pop cap that always misses, has a horrible reload, no armor bonus anymore and is in tier 4. Why on earth go for it?

Might as well cruise to Pak wall and tiger.

Its reload is now significantly better when you now include the wind down it has putting it on par with medium tank guns.

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Love the patch

As of now, before playing, I can agree with every single change, that's something.

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I absolutely hate this patch overall. There are some nice changes in there like the conscript, le.IG, and Jackson buff, but overall it's really steering the game in a negative direction. Maybe I'm ranting a bit and not being very constructive, but...

Panther nerfs are ridiculous, especially Wehr Panther which already is overpriced.

I'll withhold judgment until I play it, but I'm wary of the Jagdiger nerfs making the unit useless.

Repair speed nerfs are just going to bog the game down. Wehr/Soviet repair speeds should have been buffed, not the new factions nerfed.

FRP nerfs are retarded. Why is there a goddamn cooldown to turn it off? So now I'm supposed to just stand there while getting shelled? Come on. If you want to remove FRP points, just remove them, although I like them and think all factions should have them because massive maps are nigh unplayable without them.

I hate smokes being moved to rear echelons. This is just a change for the sake of change. Nobody asked for this.

I'm fine with Calliope health being lowered, but I don't like the sound of its rockets firing slower.

I'm glad to see the ISU-152 getting some love, but its main problem is its woeful accuracy, which isn't getting any adjustments.

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So yeah, I don't like most of the changes in this patch. Maybe I'll write up something more detailed later but my impressions from reading the patch notes are highly negative. This game is old and doesn't need very many changes anyway, and it especially doesn't need massive changes like some of the above. I'm sick of having to readjust to new balance changes at this point in the game's life. On the plus side, I'm really glad to see that horrendous Walking Stuka nerf not make it into this patch.

Also, why no new 4v4 maps? Maybe this isn't the thread for it, but wasn't the entire point of this update to address big team game balance? So why is the new content for 2v2, which already has plenty of maps anyway?

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TheMeowGamer
254
124
.672
+1
7.
Burden
222
73
.753
+5
8.
KIROV | BIH/QC |
857
493
.635
+8
9.
gardening lelic
1309
788
.624
+4
10.
[Dengue]™Alexandro
475
213
.690
+3

                    

                        1.
Thales
785
375
.677
+14
2.
Yox
498
289
.633
-1
3.
[NS]Hell March
434
170
.719
-1
4.
Nika
166
56
.748
+1
5.
White8===D
357
265
.574
-1
6.
Jerry
114
33
.776
+3
7.
[Dengue]™Alexandro
260
93
.737
+4
8.
Restzeit
1025
547
.652
+1
9.
BlackNyasher
186
123
.602
+4
10.
★Osas
183
85
.683
+11

                    

                        1.
Bulbasaur
733
386
.655
+3
2.
Komuccap
346
135
.719
+1
3.
Misaki
333
181
.648
-1
4.
BlackNyasher
261
207
.558
-1
5.
socola
579
390
.598
+9
6.
[Dengue]™Alexandro
1266
757
.626
-5
7.
Adult Mobile
86
36
.705
+5
8.
GruZ
437
363
.546
+3
9.
Noinga
88
52
.629
+5
10.
TR-1 [Haz'n-thley]
266
156
.630
+1

                    

                        1.
Bober
1838
774
.704
+14
2.
ker_141
480
221
.685
+3
3.
vonLewinski
659
206
.762
+14
4.
影彡黑色灬帝国
581
286
.670
+1
5.
红色卫兵
152
63
.707
+3
6.
-虎贲-快樂的小蝸牛-HOI-
4215
954
.815
+1
7.
TRI1091
67
19
.779
+21
8.
PanMuGwan
246
97
.717
+2
9.
MoronPark_Cat YE
103
21
.831
+5
10.
T.R. Stormjäger
319
165
.659
-2

                    

                        1.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1483
641
.698
+2
2.
✠ Kaiser Friedrich ✠
1618
1161
.582
+4
3.
[SVO] ✠Kaiser✠ tushkan
701
438
.615
+2
4.
Falko_nero22
665
345
.658
+11
5.
|^ Saltman™
1903
1281
.598
+7
6.
★Osas
178
68
.724
+4
7.
Zirty Zoggy
146
38
.793
-1
8.
아리스킨충
373
193
.659
+3
9.
✠Kaiser✠ PERVITIN
378
206
.647
+3
10.
André
669
257
.722
+1

                    

                        1.
Vertsu
500
182
.733
-1
2.
★Osas
646
294
.687
+4
3.
Kilder
856
387
.689
+3
4.
Artyom
249
69
.783
+4
5.
Thales
698
308
.694
+3
6.
Richmond
255
115
.689
-1
7.
.OneTwo
1183
850
.582
+1
8.
Perun777
588
343
.632
+1
9.
Lieutenant
372
259
.590
+2
10.
Phenomenal_V9
526
233
.693
-2

                    

                        1.
Ogreon
422
176
.706
+6
2.
Shrimp
675
312
.684
+6
3.
Adult Mobile
151
40
.791
+3
4.
King of Lee
3413
1984
.632
+13
5.
TR-1 [Haz'n-thley]
740
305
.708
+2
6.
昂撒猪猪拳
1720
834
.673
+8
7.
Obesity
236
221
.516
-1
8.
SpacePig
381
185
.673
+1
9.
Hey girl go back to the kitchen
243
215
.531
+3
10.
Tilly'edenan of the Spring
1481
811
.646
+4

                    

                        1.
TRI1091
260
79
.767
+11
2.
Zirty Zoggy
250
45
.847
+62
3.
SKELETRON
2025
686
.747
+29
4.
渣渣！反了他！欧布艹了你爸!气死偶嘞
1115
418
.727
+4
5.
GiantDwarf2
250
34
.880
+12
6.
vonLewinski
404
151
.728
+6
7.
GiantDwarf
613
166
.787
-1
8.
影彡黑色灬帝国
191
88
.685
+14
9.
Bober
694
282
.711
+3
10.
night_raven0203
3512
1734
.669
-1

                    

                        1.
DIRTY_FINISHER
2648
1445
.647
-3
2.
TRI1091
464
191
.708
+4
3.
☞ ps3YES ☜
800
342
.701
-1
4.
Pioneer
184
93
.664
+1
5.
Zirty Zoggy
75
21
.781
+3
6.
shadics ARG.
402
175
.697
+11
7.
William H. Harrison
480
202
.704
+4
8.
MasterSteve117
1264
1092
.537
+5
9.
gardening lelic
870
465
.652
+1
10.
Yox
83
14
.856
+3

                    

                        1.
SFC. LEE ッ
3101
1001
.756
+15
2.
Restzeit
643
336
.657
+9
3.
Jerry
94
16
.855
+17
4.
Mr.Brightside
702
366
.657
+4
5.
遇到狗就输
695
400
.635
+5
6.
Riiiiina
446
163
.732
-1
7.
Nika
256
104
.711
-3
8.
Remder
687
234
.746
-1
9.
CAuMOH
387
180
.683
+2
10.
JOE
1175
720
.620
+3

                    

                        1.
ranger中文
1219
1049
.537
+3
2.
lol
403
313
.563
+2
3.
King of Lee
746
566
.569
+1
4.
玛丽猫猫
859
726
.542
+3
5.
Jax
159
66
.707
+1
6.
godjaemin
338
249
.576
+1
7.
Bulbasaur
486
311
.610
-2
8.
BiliBilI_23984226_Luckyman55
611
411
.598
-1
9.
Phenomenal_V9
152
86
.639
+1
10.
Swat5.1
590
517
.533
+2

                    

                        1.
渣渣！反了他！欧布艹了你爸!气死偶嘞
653
231
.739
+13
2.
-虎贲-快樂的小蝸牛-HOI-
838
223
.790
+1
3.
MoronPark_Cat YE
350
57
.860
+15
4.
Krakenn
590
233
.717
+6
5.
ker_141
278
108
.720
+29
6.
vonLewinski
306
114
.729
+2
7.
I'm YE and I Don't eat beef
64
5
.928
+5
8.
Bober
922
406
.694
+1
9.
Krakenn
1118
621
.643
-1
10.
cblanco ★
265
138
.658
+2

                    

                        1.
☞ ps3YES ☜
2015
1083
.650
+10
2.
IncaUna
569
354
.616
-1
3.
[虎贲] Leng Mo
119
49
.708
+10
4.
HazardousMoose
427
271
.612
+2
5.
DIRTY_FINISHER
1677
923
.645
-1
6.
Flap
443
211
.677
+2
7.
【Clannad】
212
68
.757
+10
8.
TheMeowGamer
101
36
.737
+4
9.
André
299
127
.702
+10
10.
Sully
386
127
.752
+2

                    

                        1.
Remder
611
178
.774
+11
2.
Thales
760
288
.725
+1
3.
Jerry
170
48
.780
+1
4.
Nika
216
90
.706
+19
5.
Restzeit
1015
554
.647
+6
6.
André
986
427
.698
+8
7.
Ovidiu
1476
735
.668
+2
8.
★Osas
360
155
.699
+1
9.
NoPlayWithAsiaSync/Maphack
605
410
.596
+7
10.
SoE-Sturmpanther
360
59
.859
+2

                    

                        1.
Tharrats
777
618
.557
+7
2.
玛丽猫猫
574
416
.580
+4
3.
Shrimp
243
126
.659
-1
4.
ukill
195
157
.554
+11
5.
一个坏人
133
47
.739
+3
6.
Wagggggggh!哈哈
227
164
.581
-1
7.
フンッ！逃げるつもりかい！！
477
378
.558
+1
8.
Puppetmaster
250
135
.649
+1
9.
Pelta
197
159
.553
+1
10.
Kamooos
379
285
.571
+1

                    

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