Unofficial Revamp mod (EFA & WFA & Brits)

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2017, 15:45 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Jolly Good.
Shame they still have 3 Thompsons instead of 4, or was it 2 Thompsons and one BAR?

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2017, 09:28 AMMr.Smith

There was a small ninja-update last night that hopefully fixes the following issues:
- Soviet call-ins not losing the price penalty after teching
- Reload icon missing from Reload MG
- Commando smoke grenades/Sapper destroy cover being able to be cast on entities (and bugging as a result)
- Universal Carrier/Churchill preferring paths that force them to go in reverse

Also, some new things:

Pathing improvements
- Adjusted all vehicles/team-weapons in the game to prefer using forward movement to react to “right-click” commands.
- Units will use a reverse motion, only if significant gains are to be had (e.g., if a path that uses reverse is 2 seconds faster than any other path that doesn't use reverse)
- This doesn’t affect explicit reverse commands

Churchill
Increased the radius of the infantry support smoke buff to match the visuals; suppression modifier changed from -80% to -95% for units hiding in the smoke

17 pounder
- Armour reduced from 3 to 1.4 (due to being TOO resilient to small-arms fire)


So.. Let us know how the new pathing feels and how to make it better.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2017, 17:43 PMsherlock

With the mod they start off with 1 bar and you can equip 2 thompsons for 45 (one thompson less than vanilla) and you lose one weapon slot. Recon paras were kinda brilliant because you could get 3 thompsons and 2 bars on them, which made quite potent

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2017, 19:15 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

Specially with the Armor bug they got from teching Captain, if I remember right, that is still in the game.

Jump back to quoted post11 Jul 2017, 10:08 AMMr.Smith

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Thus, there's a mix-match of reasons why Tommies turned out to be this way:
- Mills Bombs being completely useless on the live version of the unit (and even if you made them cheap, they would never be researched (moving accuracy)
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- Tommies being completely helpless when fighting anything other than infantry (moving accuracy)
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- Bren guns being too RNG with the occasional 12 second reload time, making an AI-mostly squad completely unreliable (Bren reload time normalization)
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Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2017, 22:46 PMVipper

I am not sure if Tommie's moving accuracy has the affects you describe since as far as I know Piats, bren and grenades require unit to be stationary to fire.

In addition since brens do not fire on the move they will probably not reload out of cover unless ordered to stop and shoot out of cover.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2017, 02:52 AMLoopDloop

Mills bombs are useless because tommies won't hit anything on the move and are best at long range but get beat by pretty much anything besides maybe pios if they try to close (which is necessary to throw grenades). They also had to leave cover most likely, and suffer the debuffs that come with that. Piats on sections are bad for the same reason

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2017, 09:21 AMVipper

What has piat have to do with the moving accuracy of tommies? Do you mean that Piat will not hit a tank because Tommies have low moving accuracy?

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2017, 09:33 AMMr.Smith

PIATs have to close in to enemy tanks to fire. If Tommy moving accuracy is garbage, the squad contributes no DPS whatsoever while they're moving.

This, effectively, makes anti-tank capabilities of Tommies even more useless than their reload penalties and slotted Enfields already do in the live version.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jul 2017, 09:43 AMVipper

? Piat are meant to be used against vehicles, so equipping piat to Tommies turns them from AI to AT similar to PGs.

I don't see how does their ability to fire on infantry on the move affects their ability vs vehicles.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jul 2017, 22:46 PMVipper

I am not sure if Tommie's moving accuracy has the affects you describe since as far as I know Piats, bren and grenades require unit to be stationary to fire.

In addition since brens do not fire on the move they will probably not reload out of cover unless ordered to stop and shoot out of cover.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2017, 01:43 AMShadowLinkX37

Elite troops can fire bren guns on the move. Commandos can 2x equip brens and fire on the move. If you want to blob hard as UKF in teamgames commando with 2x brens + vanguard officer heroic charge is lethal.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2017, 02:27 AMbuttcheeksontoast

Holy pudding I always assumed Brens/any LMG on Commandos was a downgrade... I always knew Paras and Obers could fire their LMGs on the move but I never really thought Commandos could... This changes everything! So I'm assuming Shocks also fire on the move if you pick up an LMG?

Interestingly enough, Guard Rifles are the definition of "elite troops" but don't fire their DP's on the move