Eastern Front Armies Revamp

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2017, 16:20 PMLoopDloop

Shouldn't they beat osttruppen and pios though? I mean, osttruppen are like 15 to reinforce and pios are engineers.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2017, 16:32 PMVipper

Hmg crews beating flanking unit should not happen, especially if the reinforcement cost is the same with original hmg crew.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2017, 17:03 PMStrummingbird

^considering they're already more survivable than other faction's crewed weapons, having them straight up beat a flanking squad with bonus firepower is pretty dumb.

Also with for mother russia active they stomp flanking grenadiers and give sturmpios up close a run for their money

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2017, 17:50 PMelchino7

Are u talking about base crew or support weapons recrewed by conscripts?

If it's for the first, has there been any change to that?
If it's for the 2nd, this happens with all recrewed weapons. Not sure how to lower effectiveness on that specific scenario. I mean, if you recrew an MG with Pio/RE, they will probably own non full member squad who decides to close in. Same thing happens if you attack a base OH support weapon close range with RET.

While FMR is active they stomp whatever due to the added armor (live) and the added 50% accuracy makes those low accurate mosins actually do something.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2017, 06:47 AMFG127820

Thread too long ... why is everyone talking about changing FRP?

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2017, 17:03 PMStrummingbird

^considering they're already more survivable than other faction's crewed weapons, having them straight up beat a flanking squad with bonus firepower is pretty dumb.

Also with for mother russia active they stomp flanking grenadiers and give sturmpios up close a run for their money

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 04:35 AMVonIvan

A review of the bulldozer and m10 is in order, nonetheless, with what else is recommended.

I also feel call-ins in general need teching requirements before actually being called in.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 04:42 AMLoopDloop

Yeah I kind of don't understand why call-ins (vehicles, at least) don't all just work like the t34/85 and easy 8. Other than them being call-in, what's wrong with the M10 and bulldozer?

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 04:49 AMVonIvan

The m10 still feels like an easy counter to anything when rushed out at 8 CP, especially without the need to tech, mostly because it can run over most inf units and has AP rounds at vet 1, with incredible speed. While the bulldozer, even though at a good cost, seems too efficient as a unit, accuracy wise. Paks, raketens, and infantry squads get wiped consistently with said unit, even with vet and pre-attempts to retreat. Attack ground is 100% accurate on the bulldozer, I feel this especially needs to be reduced to at least 50%.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 04:49 AMVonIvan

The m10 still feels like an easy counter to anything when rushed out at 8 CP, especially without the need to tech, mostly because it can run over most inf units and has AP rounds at vet 1, with incredible speed. While the bulldozer, even though at a good cost, seems too efficient as a unit, accuracy wise. Paks, raketens, and infantry squads get wiped consistently with said unit, even with vet and pre-attempts to retreat. Attack ground is 100% accurate on the bulldozer, I feel this especially needs to be reduced to at least 50%.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 04:42 AMLoopDloop

Oh I thought you meant conscripts period (like the squad on their own). You could crew an mg42 with grenadiers and it could probably beat flanking rear echelons or even combat engis though, even though it'd be a bit closer.

Another thing to consider is that maxim is nowhere near comparable to mg42s.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2017, 23:38 PMnee

Because despite not being related to EFA design it's being changed in this mod, and proposed to Relic so it goes live.

You know, like Congress slipping proposals underneath other bills.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 14:14 PMTreboruk

Something that has always bugged me about CoH2 is how the Axis Mg's aren't historically accurate.

The Ostheer are the ones who used the MG34 more than the MG42. The Mg42 was more widely on the western front. (OKW).
Can these be swapped round in a patch, maybe? If stats are an issue, just swap them over!

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 17:43 PMelchino7

Another alternative option:

Is it possible to make suppress/pinned squads to alternate between retreat points? Say, been on that stance forces you to go back to base instead of FRP?

• Assgrens are counterable by infantry play and are balanced in that regard with their cost and timing

• Additional weakness in lack of faust exposes assgren play to cheese in the early game and heavily disincentivizes them in the lategame (amongst other things)

• Giving them fausts would not significantly affect matchups to the point where assgren spam / cheese play becomes a problem [may need observation vs brits] and would make for more variety ingame

• GCS and 1v1 gameplay clearly shows the propensity for wehrmacht T1 units over pgrens in the anti-inf role. This is not necessarily due to T1 being overboard in strength, but rather due to the lack of niche for panzergrens in the wehr anti-inf roster.

• Single schreck would give the unit a niche in T2 as a 'safe' multirole purchase.

• Pgren blob / spam would neither be efficient nor uncounterable, given their high upfront cost, not-overly strong anti-inf performance, nerfed bundle nade and weakness of single shreck in coh2 due to vehicle mechanics with pushing and general high lethality[see current sturmpios for reference]. As such, Wehrmacht T1 + pak or stug would still be the more cost-efficient tier for specialized units, but panzergrens would offer a flexible alternative in a faction of specialists

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2017, 17:47 PMMr.Smith

Only if you add a separate retreat ability (sort of like CoH1 retreat to captain).

Otheriwse, you can only control per squad which entities it is supposed to consider for a retreat point.