Lend Lease is completely broken

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 07:00 AMDangerous-Cloth

Ostheer panther is in tier 4 sunshine and costs a 175 fuel on top of that pricey route to teching to and building tier 4. However, the sherman comes without any teching cost. I understand that you are extremely Allied biased, but you are taking it a bit too far. Troll more like this on this thread and I will report you.

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 07:00 AMDangerous-Cloth

Ostheer panther is in tier 4 sunshine and costs a 175 fuel on top of that pricey route to teching to and building tier 4. However, the sherman comes without any teching cost. I understand that you are extremely Allied biased, but you are taking it a bit too far. Troll more like this on this thread and I will report you.

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 22:46 PMvoltardark

The problem come from the fact that the doctrinal DSHK is better then the Maxim HMG.t

So 1vs1 maps it's rather normal that you want the best HMG, because it will have a greater impact.

If the DSHK is become similar to Maxim or a .50... why does it exist?

Nerf it to the level of the non doctrinal MG42 ? why not ?

The problem i see in the solution that all call in should be tight to a tier building is that in certain case they are a solution for fuel scarce situations. (where you dont want or can't build tier 4 as an exemple.)

the Lend-lease doctrine is made for those fuel scarce situations.

So maybe it's best to increase the mp cost of the call-in as someone said.
And it other case it's best to be tight to a tier.

The design of commander with call-in units must be thoughtfully analysed to find its original purpose.

Jump back to quoted post17 May 2017, 16:03 PMDangerous-Cloth

I don't care what its original purpose was, if it isn't working and is broken, it should be reworked. Or do we need to thoughtfully reanalyze the Tiger Ace and get it back to its orginal purpose?

Calls in are ruining the game since launch, that is why tigers, Is2s and other heavy tank call ins were limited to one at a time and the double T34-85 call ins tied to teching.

All call ins need to be tied to teching. And yes, even the ones from the factions you defend with every post.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2017, 22:06 PMMr.Smith

DSHK badly needs nerfs, that's for sure.

On the other hand, it's not shermans themselves that are broken. It's call-ins in general. Without call-in shermans there would be no counter to call-in command panther and vice-versa.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2017, 11:06 AMGarrett

I wonder what was the justification to hide the t34-85 and the Easy-8 behind tech, but then dont do the same for other medium tank call-ins like the lend-lease Sherman? I mean doesn't it create the same problems like T34 call-ins previously?

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2017, 11:11 AMMr.Smith

Command Panther meta

and before you ask, the reason for Command Panther is Armour company/Pershing

Then, the reason for USF call-in meta is USF late-game & Lightning war

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2017, 13:14 PMGarrett

Well, I thought something along these lines. It shows that balance is rarely one-dimensional and also shows the problems of call-ins in general. Hiding a command panther or Pershing behind tech could mean that they become unviable because they hit the field too late and cost too much in general, I assume...

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 00:59 AMLoopDloop

How many people actually rush command panthers or pershings though? I pretty much never do unless my t4 gets destroyed super fast as okw somehow.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 01:23 AMGarrett

Well, in 1v1s stalling for a Pershing, Tiger or Command Panther is a very common thing. I am not a great fan of that, but its a legit strategy which a wide range of players use...

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 05:41 AMWaegukin

Lock all call-in vehicles behind tech. For the M4C, I'd also tweak its stats and price to make it a primarily anti-infantry unit think Soviet Ostwind), which would make Soviet T4 somewhat similar in composition to Ost T3.

Jump back to quoted post16 May 2017, 05:21 AMCpt. Blitz

Yeah it's funny.

I play all the armies and Axis are always a cake-walk. Even in 1v1.

Sure in Pros ppl win allied games as 1v1 just because of map control and pressure. But below top 200 play Axis are leaps and bounds ahead of Allies. It's because they require so much damn micro

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 06:29 AMAugust1996

Call ins in general need to be tied to teching(no exceptions). And the DSHKA needs a nerf as its Maxim on steroids. Maxim could use a bit of a buff in terms of setup/teardown time as its suppression is worse than other MGs, cost more and Cons are literally trash 20+++++ mins in 1v1.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 12:48 PMGarrett

I agree, the current Penal spam into 120mm and 85s or Penals with Dshka into M4C spam is a result of poorly performing Maxims and Cons. When two of your three choices are underwhelming, and then you have the overperforming Penals, it is not hard to understand why most Soviet players choose to use Soviet T1...

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 15:22 PMLoopDloop

Yup. That's why I don't even play soviets anymore; most of their early-mid game isn't even viable anymore.

IMO cons should be decent mainline inf (and make the Molotov animation faster), maybe give them svts as an upgrade, and make penals basically ostruppen ("you need screening troops?") with mosins. Their vet1 ability also makes sense in that scenario.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 15:22 PMLoopDloop

Yup. That's why I don't even play soviets anymore; most of their early-mid game isn't even viable anymore.

IMO cons should be decent mainline inf (and make the Molotov animation faster), maybe give them svts as an upgrade, and make penals basically ostruppen ("you need screening troops?") with mosins. Their vet1 ability also makes sense in that scenario.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 15:48 PMDangerous-Cloth

then you will get the same situation as you have now. Only in your solution we will have conscripts into dhsk into m4c lol. The entire faction needs a redesign badly.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 15:49 PMGarrett

Not necessarily, because you could have mainline infantry (cons) which are worth their money plus team weapons (given that the Maxim gets a slight boost) instead of having to choose between competitive infantry (penals) or team weapons (subsituted by the Dshka).