Churchill Crocodile needs adjustment

Jump back to quoted post12 May 2017, 13:10 PMHighfiveeeee

I honestly don't get it why the Crocodile as the only flamer tank in the game also keeps his main canon.
I know, I know, they replaced the MG with the flame thrower in real life but still it is stupid in terms of game logic. The M4 Calliope was also able to shoot his main gun and is not able to do so in the game.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2017, 17:06 PMofield

The Croc needs 10 penetrating hits to kill a panther with a 30-40% of penetrating the front armor.
The Panther needs 9 penetrating hits with a 85-100% chance of penetrating the front armor.

It's not impossible but very very unlikely for the croc to win that kind of engagement.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2017, 21:07 PMDangerous-Cloth

Add to that 6 pounder support and the fact that the croc can fire at the Panther and kill all support weapons at the same time is a recipe for abuse. But hey, that is just my opinion.

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2017, 21:15 PMSupremeStefan

Whats next ? aec and 6 pounder vs kt ?

Jump back to quoted post18 May 2017, 21:07 PMDangerous-Cloth

Add to that 6 pounder support and the fact that the croc can fire at the Panther and kill all support weapons at the same time is a recipe for abuse. But hey, that is just my opinion.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 11:06 AMofield

Wehrmacht vet 1 pak stun?

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 15:45 PMDangerous-Cloth

Sure but the crocodile will just crumble away after that since it has 14 million health. Meanwhile once the croc approaches it burns your pak to deaht and if your pak survives and gets the stun of, the croc will then rumble away and burn it to death then. It has insane range.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2017, 17:05 PMLoopDloop

So will kt so does kt so will kt so can kt so does kt. And which one's doctrinal?

It's just good heavy tanks in general. And croc is useless against tanks period.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2017, 08:27 AMDangerous-Cloth

Yeah but the croc has a flamethrower and a main gun that can penetrate tanks (even panthers lol) and does decent damage vs mediums while having insane health. Well technically the KT also needs a doctrine and all tech buildings to get. Meanwhile the croc only needs a doctrine with which you can effectively stall for it.

In my other post I also made the same point about the KT, so calm down.

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 14:14 PMLoopDloop

It does as much damage as one bazooka right? Have fun with that. It also still shoots at whatever it wants unless that got fixed recently. The stalling thing is probably an issue but that's just dumbass call-in mechanics, and applies to a lot of other heavy tanks as well.

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2017, 15:55 PMDangerous-Cloth

Considering the croc's health it firing at it with a panther or a pak 40 will have relatively the same effect as a Croc firing and penetrating a Panther.

Jump back to quoted post24 May 2017, 04:14 AMLoopDloop

After a game I had my full health vet0 croc run up against a vet2 stug and the stug killed it. Both penetrated most of the time, but the croc deals very negligible damage to tanks. It also shot the wrong target until I got right up to it. This wasn't an empirical test, but I don't have the time to recreate it in cheat mode. Also, more health means it will take more time to repair when it gets shot a whole bunch, and this too applies to other heavy tanks.

Jump back to quoted post24 May 2017, 04:14 AMLoopDloop

After a game I had my full health vet0 croc run up against a vet2 stug and the stug killed it. Both penetrated most of the time, but the croc deals very negligible damage to tanks. It also shot the wrong target until I got right up to it. This wasn't an empirical test, but I don't have the time to recreate it in cheat mode. Also, more health means it will take more time to repair when it gets shot a whole bunch, and this too applies to other heavy tanks.

Jump back to quoted post24 May 2017, 06:14 AMDangerous-Cloth

If you payed attention you would easily have gotten it away and dealt good damage to the stug as well. Yes more health means more repair time. But with the insane repair speeds of the wfa it won't take as long. Go repair a Tiger with pioneers or an IS2 with combat engineers, that takes ages.

Jump back to quoted post24 May 2017, 14:40 PMVipper

So 2 vetted TD killed a mostly AI tank...and the Problem is? Test the Croc vs a Panzer 4 which is actually a tank and not a TD.

Jump back to quoted post24 May 2017, 14:49 PMLoopDloop

That's not the point though. The point is that he croc is easily countered by any non ostwind tank, so it really shouldn't be an issue. This was after a game, when you can hit "continue playing" so I called in a croc and made it 1v1 a vet2 stug and it lost. To a 90 fuel tank destroyer. So anything equivalent to the croc in cost should counter it easily, or at least force it back if 1 stug can.

Jump back to quoted post24 May 2017, 14:51 PMLoopDloop

It's not a problem, cloth was just claiming that the croc can shrug off panthers and paks (the latter usually gets burned tho). It's a counter working as intended so /thread.