Infiltration units needs a change

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 04:06 AMShadowLinkX37

Add in immediate cooldowns to the handheld nuclear bombs they call grenades and I think we're good to go.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 04:02 AMWilliam Christensen

Indeed
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However, it can still work, with the upgrade package being 30 MU. I just had quite a throughout thought about how to make this idea works for all infiltration units:



This way, Infiltration units will act more like harashers, supply-line disruptors and when needed, support-weapon harasher when upgraded, rather than straight-up support-weapon killers cause in this case, he'll have to spend MU + wait for quite a while before he can use them for assault.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 04:02 AMWilliam Christensen

*snip*
This way, Infiltration units will act more like harashers, supply-line disruptors and when needed, support-weapon harasher when upgraded, rather than straight-up support-weapon killers cause in this case, he'll have to spend MU + wait for quite a while before he can use them for assault.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 07:11 AMMistah_S

Get real, 200mp for partisans?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 07:11 AMMistah_S

100MU for STG for a faction already short on munitions?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 07:11 AMMistah_S

Same with commandos?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 11:04 AMVipper

One could make Partisan cost more and be a 6 men squad that spawns with only 4 men and has to retreat to reinforce. That would balance the spawn and later use value.

Jump back to quoted post18 Apr 2017, 19:09 PMThe amazing Chandler

And because it's the only good thing in this doctrine its ok to be OP.
What a logic.

And FYI, the bundle its very capable of killing all 6 members from the weapon teams (which only the SU have btw) but whatever.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 22:19 PMinsaneHoshi

Erm, yes? Lol. OP units are fine in doctrines as long as their are counterbalanced by that doctrines downsides. Like if one goes partisans, they shouldn't also have end game tanks.

Meanwhile landmatress doc gets, flankers on the toughest and cheapest engineer unit in the game, spawn anywhere commandos that have an .8 second satchel charge, and the landmatress itself

Oh and I'm pritty sure that commando nade does more damage, has less woe and has a shorter timer, so the abilities are defiantly notnequal

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 22:57 PMLoopDloop

So that makes calliope ok right? Because 1919s, the quad, and the strafe all suck now. And arty cover in its current state is balanced due to that logic as well.

Commando nade and bundled nades are the same thing I think. Could someone check out the stats on that? I know they have the same fuse.

• Commando light gammon bomb cost = 35 munitions
  
• Axis elite bundle grenade cost = 45 munitions
  
• Commando light gammon bomb fuse = ~1 sec 1 sec
  
• Axis elite bundle grenade fuse = ~1.2 sec 1.25 sec
  

I couldn't actually find the exact fuse timers in the mod tools, so I'm just going off what it appears to be ingame. I know that the bundled has at least a 0.2 sec longer fuse. If a mod maker could show me where to find the fuse timer for grenades that'd be great.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 10:58 AMWilliam Christensen

This way, Commandos will behave similar to Stormtroopers on live version, which haven't got any complaints so far.‎

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 01:07 AMMirdarion

I wonder why nobody complained about them. Might it be possible that almost nobody ever uses them, because they offer nothing of value to the faction they are a part of? Hmmm, what a mysterious riddle we have here… kappa

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 23:40 PMShadowLinkX37

Bundles and light gammons are clones of each other except for cost, and fuse.

• Commando light gammon bomb cost = 35 munitions
  
• Axis elite bundle grenade cost = 45 munitions
  
• Commando light gammon bomb fuse = ~1 sec
  
• Axis elite bundle grenade fuse = ~1.2 sec
  
  

I couldn't actually find the exact fuse timers in the mod tools, so I'm just going off what it appears to be ingame. I know that the bundled has at least a 0.2 sec longer fuse. If a mod maker could show me where to find the fuse timer for grenades that'd be great.

Fun fact: Grenades apparently have a 0.25 damage modifier in mud. So the next time you play a large team game on "General Mud" the deep mud is actually pretty good against grenades, but you're probably better off just dodging the grenade.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 22:57 PMLoopDloop

So that makes calliope ok right? Because 1919s, the quad, and the strafe all suck now. And arty cover in its current state is balanced due to that logic as well.

Commando nade and bundled nades are the same thing I think. Could someone check out the stats on that? I know they have the same fuse.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 01:07 AMMirdarion

I wonder why nobody complained about them. Might it be possible that almost nobody ever uses them, because they offer nothing of value to the faction they are a part of? Hmmm, what a mysterious riddle we have here… kappa

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 01:28 AMZombiFrancis

Technically rifles still can get 2 1919s. They just have to pick up one that's been dropped.

Unless I am mistaken on that?

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 01:10 AMLoopDloop

Actually, I find that they cover a lot of the brits' weaknesses really well. Garrison messing with you? No problem. Sneak a gammon bomb in. Mortar giving you trouble? Hold fire and hunt it down from camo, and even steal it afterwards. They're in some really good commanders too. Commandos are literally the only reason that brits don't absolutely have to build pits every single game.

Jump back to quoted post21 Apr 2017, 01:26 AMinsaneHoshi

But also the commando made does like 200 or 350 damage, bundle nade does 120