OKW's early game over-dominance

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2017, 17:25 PMwongtp

so now what is an allied player going to do against an army that can upgun themselves without the need for side-grades, free access to nades, infantry that have a distinct stat advantage against their own and having their clutch units nerfed?

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2017, 17:33 PMvoltardark

Can you still answer my questions plz ?

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2017, 17:25 PMwongtp

well things did improve, but aint good enough.

look at the stupidly crazy vet they can get, this vet was given to them because okw was designed around elite units and resource starved. now they are no longer resource starved nor in anyway have units that players have to pay a premium for. they are priced similarly to any other regular unit.

not only that, taking out schrecks and replacing them with stg44s makes volks an elite assault unit, able to wreck infantry enmassed, throw nades and practically bully infantry fights. other factions have inherent weaknesses. soviets have practically trash infantry, UKF tommies +mg combo are okay but fails against so many stg44s. USA rifles match volks man for man generally unless they can close in, which is not practical when sturmpios are lurking about. but then again volks are cheaper and thus would be happy to trade with riflemen.

on top of that, tommies and rifles have to spend mp/fuel to unlock their weapon racks in order to be able to put out enough firepower to deter a charge from massed volks, who are now even more deadly with stg44s that require no side-grade to unlock and also free flame nades.

now, ALL allied light vehicles(AEC, stuart, T70) are nerfed to a point where they no longer do meaningful damage to an infantry swarm and are only used to hunting down other light vehicles. but their low damage per shot means they arent great at that either.

so now what is an allied player going to do against an army that can upgun themselves without the need for side-grades, free access to nades, infantry that have a distinct stat advantage against their own and having their clutch units nerfed?

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2017, 17:36 PMTobis

If you are having trouble dealing with voks stgs I recommend you post some replays here for tips. Upgraded riflemen, tommies, and guards will be winning against volks, you may be doing something wrong.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2017, 13:26 PMDangIT

I understand that this faction is designed to have an early advantage. You want to dominate me early game, OK, I get it. But why does it have to be at this scale? Please answer the following questions;

• Why does the kubelwagon cost no fuel?
  
• Why is it able to both cap and kill? Why is it mounted with a free LMG34? Isn't %15 faster cap rate alone good enough?
  
• Why do sturmpioneers are the starting unit?
  
• Why does the best AI light tank in game had it cost reduced? LMFAO, Is this how you nerf the LV rush meta?
  
• Why is the Mowing Stuka, the most devastating mobile arty in game, available after 10 minutes? And it costs less than a Calli?
  
  
  

Discuss this like a civilized human, without raging or intolerant behavior.

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2017, 18:05 PMwongtp

capable rooster

Jump back to quoted post5 Apr 2017, 17:39 PMvoltardark

Add to the mentioned above, the 3 problematic factors i underlined and you've a rather no so fun game for the allies...(team format)

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2017, 12:53 PMFinndeed

I know people don't play this game to be competitive and i know that people like to play it in with their friends in set teams playing the same factions and armies and that is just how you want to do it. That's fine, you paid for the game and you can play it any way you choose.

But for the love of god just play 20 axis games just to see what it's like facing Calliopes, Kattys, landmatresses, Mortar pits, 120mm mortars, Pak howies, auto repairing emplacements, Bofors with barrage, USF retreat points that can move, Brit ones that can equip units with LMG's and Soviet t-34'76 spam.

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2017, 13:06 PMvoltardark

It's the starting phase that matter, the first 10-12 minutes. The loses there are critical because of the snowballing effect it's cause.

All of you mentioned come later in the game.

I did watch so many games in so many formats...and played so many games...

Use your own in-game experience, when you analyse the problematic factors.
Those are the majors offender when playing team formats.

Thanks for your comments.

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2017, 14:54 PMFinndeed

Apologies for an overly aggressive response but the general consensus of players who play ALL the factions is that axis lose out in team games specifically because of weaker artillery/indirect fire and worse 'emplacements'. Axis also tend to have smaller squads meaning indirect fire wipes them faster. (I'll leave tanks out of this one).

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2017, 15:08 PMvoltardark

I'won't try to convince you, but as far i'm concerned, the team formats are not balanced enough anymore to be fun.

Hoping for a miracle, I'still want to play this game.

Jump back to quoted post6 Apr 2017, 23:23 PMNano

The game was never balanced for a team arena and never will be. It's always been heavily swung in one way or another. I don't know if you saw when the Brits were first released but they were stupid overpowered and playing large team games as Axis was just an exercise in futility; the game is just all over the place.

It is largely going to depend on the map though.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2017, 01:27 AMUlaire Minya

No insult to Findeed, but you really don't understand how multiple okw players in 3's/4's break the game and snowball hard with their FRP BHQ set up around important areas 4 minutes into the game. It's almost impossible to beat when they retreat ~30 meters and you have to retreat half the length of the map.

Jump back to quoted post7 Apr 2017, 02:02 AMCafo

I thought okw had to start paying for flame nade unlock... how do you justify paying 40 fuel and 300 mp for USF nades and weapons when okw gets dat unlock for free and dont you be saying free squads. if anything you should be giving usf that scavenge ability these days.. 25 fuel for nades please...