Your wishes for the Panther

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 14:44 PMAndresTCII

Give that long reach to a tank with that armor and speed is crazy

I think it's perfect .

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 17:03 PMZyllen

Its perfect at running away. It serves no purpose what so ever. puma's stugs and jp4's outclass it in every . They dont have the staying power to the panther but death enemy's do zero damage. and 2 stugs can turn any allied tank into scrap metal under 10 seconds while the panther need a more then half a minute.

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Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 20:02 PMEtherealDragon

Here here! Especially the buff to moving accuracy. The Panther needs a defined roll that differentiates itself from StuGs (turretless TD with good Penetration). IMO it should be a mobile tankhunter that can utilize its speed and turret in a way that StuG's can't - otherwise you're almost always better off going multiple StuG's and compensating by protecting your flanks with Shreks and/or Mines.

I'd also suggest something fun like giving it Combat Blitz (the OKW version that gives you improved accuracy) at Vet 0 and then giving it some other minor Vet 1 bonus in its place - maybe shifting some of its improved health/armor from Vet 2 to Vet 1 so you get it sooner?

Way I see it is you either need to buff Panther or somehow buff the T4 Teching price to make the live version of the Panther worth the cost of going for.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 21:22 PMzerocoh

Panther is good right now, but if you guys want it so bad, they could buff vet 0 and nerf all veterancies. (especially extra HP, that is ridiculous).

Like I said on the other thread, you guys really need to work on your tank skills.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 21:42 PMTobis

Tell me how it is good.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 22:47 PMzerocoh

800 hp, one of the highest armor on the game, good range, good mobility, great vet.

and 2 of them makes it very dangerous, especially with commanders like encirclement where you can just blitzkrieg and decap everything.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 14:19 PMelchino7

But you don't get PV in order to deal with TDs unless you have somehow a bigger economy to sustain getting several of them and then relying on swarming a position, killing one and then pulling back quickly.
PV was designed to counter heavies and outslug mediums when ONLY SU was in the game (IS2/ISU and T34s). Too many things have been released and the OH PV just lag behind. USF is basically all mediums (unless Pershing or E8) with better infantry AI units (so while you could deal with mediums, Rifles can still over run you) and UKF has OP crushwell and Comet (Relic didn't know what to really do with Churchill). Live Piats laughs at PV armor.

PV is basically there for people who can't keep their Stugs alive

1-Having prioritise vehicles not affecting MGs will help PV a lot.
2-Su76 should see a really slight pen nerf IMO.
3-UKF vehicle commander should be nerf along with Crushwell/Comet.
4-Either improve RoF or keep it slow RoF but make it so it has a slight higher accuracy. Problem with PV is that by having attrocious scatter, there's few chances that a miss will still hit. On the other hand, AoE could be further lowered and improve scatter so it will hit infantry at a really slow pace.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 23:38 PMzerocoh

I was just playing and I could say that panther could be 10-15 fuel cheaper.

thing is, if you over buff this unit you completely break team games.

Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2017, 18:15 PM__deleted__

First allied tanks need to be brought in line, get normalised.

For example su76 needs penetration nerf so it doesn´t penetrate heavies like panther so much, comet needs AI nerf, t34/85 needs main gun against infantry nerf or increase in cost, with buffed mgs its too good. Cromwell,m10 and others need slight nerfs as well.


Then panther actually needs to hit things. Having slow main gun reload isn´t all that bad as long as you know you will penetrate in 90% of all cases (except against heaviest tanks) and actually hit target. This is panther right now lacking.

So I think panther needs acurracy buff, so it can hit even smaller vehicles at long range when standing still and then needs 0.75 acurracy debuff on the move instaed of 0.5 which is right now.

I also think that pintle hmg upgrade needs a bit love, something like small buff that will allow it to deal with infantry more efficiently, right now it feels less useful than t34/76 (85) hulled hmg.

Also tier4 needs price reduction once tier 3 is set up and vice versa so ostheer isn´t forced to play only with half of its tools.
Just tell LELIC about this.I will support you no matter what.THey takes months to fix stuff after you give them the idea

I think for first this will be enaught, we don´t want to overbuff panther as well, if patches will work the same as right now, I think there will be lot of time to give him good place in terms of power even if these buffs alone aren´t enaught. You can always buff its RoF for example, but i dont think its the way to go, i will only homogenise things and will make him better stug