Lock Demo Behind Veterancy

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 16:47 PMPolar Lights

Vet 3 would unlock a demo that also has a small (10-15) sight range on it.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 16:54 PMBlalord

Lol. Like we are in the need of a demo self spotting XD

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 17:02 PMPolar Lights

Locked behind Vet 3!!
Its something the SU players have wanted forever. Seems like a good compromise to me.

Take away early demo play and in return give stronger late game demo play.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 17:05 PMImagelessbean

Vet 3 is very easy to get with flames as pointed out. Giving the demo anything will only make it more attractive. In fact, in this you have just straight buffed the demo as your first munitions will almost always go to flames, maybe a mine. By the time you get vet you have upgraded what few infantry can get upgrades and you are looking to wipe blobs or vetted squads. It is at this point that demo's are attractive. Adding sight will only increase the problem.

A strong no from me.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 17:10 PMBlalord

You can have a engie vet 3 something like 6 min in the game its not really late game

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 17:24 PMPolar Lights

Easy fix...just increase the amount of vet it takes to get to vet 3....

Engi vet 3 is just "no longer takes extra damage while repairing, +15% accuracy, -15% cooldown" so it will not be a huge loss if they take longer.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 17:28 PMBlalord

Change the vet system just for one unit is strange...

i still dont understand the need of a demo buff nowadays

Losing a Vet 3 unit to a self spotting Demo charge would be totally absurd ...

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 17:35 PMPolar Lights

You forget the nerf it gets as you would need Vet 2 in order to build a demo.
Meant to be a nerf and a buff as SU players would just cry a river if you did a pure nerf.

Would also like to see you do a six minute vet 3 engi -.-'

Top 10 people lose Vet 3 squads to....non-spotting demos.... So don't really see your point. If you don't got a spotter you will still die.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 21:03 PMPlaguer

Demo wipes early game aren't as punishing as in late game, does it feel worse to lose a vet 1 volks squad at 8 minutes, or a vet 5 STG volk squad at 30 minutes? (Protip: It's the vet 5 volk squad)

Also giving demos vision is just a troll suggestion, I wonder why I'm being this serious with this answer anyways when obvious troll is obvious

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 23:12 PMPolar Lights

Having demoes auto acquired like the OKW 120 muni useless bomb vech that also has stealth, mobility and vision(!!) would be great.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jan 2017, 23:12 PMPolar Lights

Pro tip: Losing a volk squad early is devastating. Losing a Sturm early is pretty much good game.
Having to worry about an instant squad wipe demo that may or may not exist in the early game when you are strapped for resources is just not fair.

Obviously demo already instant squad wipes and that is without vision. Obviously it would be better if there is no opportunity for a squad to be wiped at the 8 minute mark.

Obviously you will now be able to stop demo from even being there at the 30 minute mark by devoting attention to killing engi whenever possible.

Guess what currently has stealth and vision and blows up for huge damage? The OKW Goliath has vision and is somehow not op but instead total trash...

Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2017, 07:17 AMPlaguer

Sometimes I've lost 2x SPios to a single demo thanks to my own stupidity but I've been easily able to come back by changing up my game plan, but if those were late game volks/obers with vet 5 and weapon upgrades I would probably get run over by infantry without a chance in the world, taking in to consideration that the game has been even up until that point

Also, goliath is shit because it gets SPOTTED, it's not invisible, just stealthed