Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.4 Update
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And it took the ENTIRE Axis playing community calling them hacks for, oh, the entire holiday season, for them to half-ass revert it to a build-time nerf?
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Every time I've been met with 222s or flak HTs I've just... Gone T2 for an AT gun, gone Guard Motor doc, or used conscripts. (Well not cons against the flak HT.) But still, as much as I love AT Satchels, behind a PTRS upgrade is not where it should be locked.
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Or was assault grenadiers "fixed" now? lol
Reinforce cost lowered from 28 to 26
Grenade Assault munitions cost lowered from 45 to 30.
Grenade Assault aim-time and ready-aim time reduced by half to allow faster throwing.
Squad leader armour reduced from 1.5 to 1.
Medical kits removed.
Veterancy 1 now Grants -10% received accuracy and reduces recharge on sprint by 25%.
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Who wins:
vet 3 PTRS Penals versus vet 3 PTRS Cons?
If Penals, RIP this patch
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Quick question if someone can test it
Who wins:
vet 3 PTRS Penals versus vet 3 PTRS Cons?
If Penals, RIP this patch
It SHOULD be cons from Dank hunters, but it is indeed Penals, as they have 1 more now, which albeit is supposed to stem their damage output a bit, but doesn't do so effectively/reliably since it is only a 33% mis-chance at long range.
So the only saving grace for con dank hunters is they still have sprint and can snare, but that is it.
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It SHOULD be cons from Dank hunters, but it is indeed Penals, as they have 1 more now, which albeit is supposed to stem their damage output a bit, but doesn't do so effectively/reliably since it is only a 33% mis-chance at long range.
So the only saving grace for con dank hunters is they still have sprint and can snare, but that is it.
Thanks.
So like I thought. RIP this patch.
Penals with PTRS which should be punished in terms of AI are still better than PTRS Cons.
I feel like this patch wants to make mainline infantry from Penals, instead of semi-elite infantry.
So... Intead of making new doctrines viable, we can end up with even fewer doctrine viable (depends what upgrades Penals will have finally) since PTRS Penals are better than PTRS Cons and PPSH Penals are better than PPSH Cons, so you can scratch tank hunter and all ppsh doctrines.
No point in making cons apart from snare.
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Thanks.
So like I thought. RIP this patch.
Penals with PTRS which should be punished in terms of AI are still better than PTRS Cons.
I feel like this patch wants to make mainline infantry from Penals, instead of semi-elite infantry.
So... Intead of making new doctrines viable, we can end up with even fewer doctrine viable (depends what upgrades Penals will have finally) since PTRS Penals are better than PTRS Cons and PPSH Penals are better than PPSH Cons, so you can scratch tank hunter and all ppsh doctrines.
No point in making cons apart from snare.
PTRS Penals lose at all ranges and all vet levels to PTRS Conscripts. Tric seems to have misunderstood your question about which one has more powerful AT.
Why don't you run the tests for yourself?
Also, why the hell should we care about preserving the viability of 1 single doctrine, if we can make multiple other doctrines viable?
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Penals having PTRS doesn't do anything but give a subpar option in addition to the other AT options soviets have early game. (Mines, ZiS, con PTRS, a faster T3, and the m42 at worst, and Guards at best.)
A tier that combines the maxim and the ZiS is still going to overshadow the tier that doesn't have an ability to handle team weapons or vehicles bigger than a kubel.
Maxim + ZiS in T2 is a bigger factor than Penals having PTRS or not for the strength of T1.
But the issue is the combination of guards with penals, which is actually just the ability for guards being a crutch for handling light vehicle rushes. (Which I isn't entirely true, imo.) Guard Motor is just a power commander and had dominated Soviet 1v1 since launch.
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good job, Mod Team
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I was fortunate enough to rush a Zis3 otherwise it would've wrecked my infantry
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Looks like AA HT can now beat the T70.
I was fortunate enough to rush a Zis3 otherwise it would've wrecked my infantry
This is actually really serious issue that can nerf tier1 even further. I suggest decreasing flaptrack armor pen if your statement is true
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This is actually really serious issue that can nerf tier1 even further. I suggest decreasing flaptrack armor pen if your statement is true
Ah, that's not exactly True. Stuart/T-70/AEC will still wreck Flak Half Track. Quad Half Tracks get the job done too.
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The problem is only the flamer on penals, ptrs could be ok. Why not remove that flamer on mainline infantry and downgrade cost like a rifleman? Your anti infantry early will be a not upgraded penals, and at ptrs penals like the mod. 280 mp is ok cause you have no way to clear garrisons without flamer on eng or snipers. Giving ppsh will not nerf so much the power of flamer upgraded penals squad. If you want something new and remove penals, change with the ppsh guards like the commanders call in.
Penals don´t get any survablity bonuses like riflemen. Riflemen were too dorable with flamers. Penals are as dorable as 6 man enginner squad.
Also ppsh are best on the move, rifles at long range and flamer at medium while standing, so you get jack of all trades squad that fail its job at anything except at clearing garrisons. Its not like rifles with flamer and bar.
BTW also sturmpioneers with 3 STGs and beter recieved acc can get flamer and no one is crying about.
Also 5 men enginners can get flamer and BREN, no one is crying about. They are also full close range squad apart from current penals
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Ah, that's not exactly True. Stuart/T-70/AEC will still wreck Flak Half Track. Quad Half Tracks get the job done too.
Thank God. Also thank you for explanation
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